Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[Kerset]

I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

[Dunnstral]

I may not have explicitly sent one addressed to only you, but I certainly felt like I was putting them out writ large.

Doesn't matter though, we have data I can dig into instead. I'm pretty much resetting myself with the exception of the mara read~ You're welcome to cross-temporal neighborize me though, if you'd like.

I don't have the choice in this game

[Almost50]

I like this. Specifically, posts 106 and 174 look like traitor softs to me.

I can -maybe- see how 174 could be taken that way, but I fail to see how 106 is. And why would he vote his scum buddy that early??

But, you know what? I am not about to derail your line of thought here. Just remember that -IF I am a Traitor- you don't actually need to eliminate me to win in a Normal.. (I think)

Idle votes are the mafia's handiwork right?
*places an idle vote*

Oh.. ok. I didn't see it as "idle" vote, but you're correct of that's the case.

[Dunnstral]

I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

Why?

[Kerset]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

Can you show your calculations? The case against WindowsXP is compelling to me, I'd like to compare.

Its not based on calculations. It is based on my memory.

Show me his posts, then.

lol
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[bloodhail]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

The first mention of "traitor" in the game.

Fishing?

Now, read WindowXP's sustained yet oddly understated defense of T3 before the elimination.

i agree xp looks pretty bad but i'm not sure why they would accuse their own mafia cop of being a traitor? like if they are a traitor why do they draw attention to their teammate and make them look suspect with their crumb?

[bloodhail]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

[Almost50]

But, you know what? I am not about to derail your line of thought here. Just remember that -IF I am a Traitor- you don't actually need to eliminate me to win in a Normal.. (I think)

While correct, this does not mean it's a good idea to not go for the traitor if you suspect one.

They're still a mafia-aligned player with a vote and a voice

Based on TODAY'S POSTS ALONE, I'd be willing to bet a small amount on it being NDMath himself. (The one who made a case of my slot being the Traitor)

[Dunnstral]

But, you know what? I am not about to derail your line of thought here. Just remember that -IF I am a Traitor- you don't actually need to eliminate me to win in a Normal.. (I think)

While correct, this does not mean it's a good idea to not go for the traitor if you suspect one.

They're still a mafia-aligned player with a vote and a voice

Based on TODAY'S POSTS ALONE, I'd be willing to bet a small amount on it being NDMath himself. (The one who made a case of my slot being the Traitor)

Why does that make them a traitor vs being normal faction scum

[Kerset]

I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

Why?

Because single kill in large game is unexpected. No SK, no vig?

[bloodhail]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

I really wouldn't mind a wagon on Vasex. It is part of why I was asking bloodhail to town case himself, because -although bloodhail is my top SR- he cleared most of my "other suspects" including Vasex.

you're scum it doesn't matter what you think

[DrippingGoofball]

First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact.

Show me the posts that support this, scum.

[Kerset]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

He was begging people to vote Kitty.

I bet, that T3 is town. It is rather difficult to figure out and this is a risky bet. I read his ISO and the important moments with him. Many times, again and again, there is not so much text.
Or he is too good mafia. Too good for the first elim, i definitely against that. At least I want to play with him more time, to see what he will say after the night, if he will be alive.

That claim... This is another question. There is a possibility that it is true: unchanged willing to elim Kitty... even talking about bp - is to avoid nk maybe, if he is a cop... But like in situation with Etine - I'm not sure about this. I can think, that it can be fake, but not necessary scummy fake... This can be complicated, especially after few other claims.
All claims in this game were weird, but Kitty has the scummiest in my opinion.

So it is better to attack the team of Kitty instead of anything else (if not Kitty).

[Almost50]

I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

?? We did have a NIGHT KILL, so what good is it to know whom he is likely to target??

Unless -of course- you know something I don't (like, if this setup has a Serial Killer, and thus Babysitter did stop a kill and you want to know whom is NOT the SK, for example.. or maybe they stopped the MAFIA kill and you want to know who is not Mafia??)

[bloodhail]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

He was begging people to vote Kitty.

I bet, that T3 is town. It is rather difficult to figure out and this is a risky bet. I read his ISO and the important moments with him. Many times, again and again, there is not so much text.
Or he is too good mafia. Too good for the first elim, i definitely against that. At least I want to play with him more time, to see what he will say after the night, if he will be alive.

That claim... This is another question. There is a possibility that it is true: unchanged willing to elim Kitty... even talking about bp - is to avoid nk maybe, if he is a cop... But like in situation with Etine - I'm not sure about this. I can think, that it can be fake, but not necessary scummy fake... This can be complicated, especially after few other claims.
All claims in this game were weird, but Kitty has the scummiest in my opinion.

So it is better to attack the team of Kitty instead of anything else (if not Kitty).

you realize there were a LOT of posts between then and the end of the day, right?

[bloodhail]

let me offer a refresher:

I hard tr Vasex for pushing likely scum fmpov. So unless I've been pocketed I'm not voting this.

VOTE: Vasex

oop
VOTE: vasex

I hard tr Vasex for pushing likely scum fmpov. So unless I've been pocketed I'm not voting this.

VOTE: Vasex

Its fine T3! Just follow his lead then.

VOTE: Vasex

oop
VOTE: vasex

UNVOTE: vasex
e-3

T3 can you please articulate the thought process behind you going from Town!Vasex to voting him to unvoting him in such a short window? I just don't see how this makes any sense for you as either alignment

Vasex was a townread.
I see the self vote.
I think it is a scumclaim.
It's not a scumclaim.

[DrippingGoofball]

i agree xp looks pretty bad but i'm not sure why they would accuse their own mafia cop of being a traitor? like if they are a traitor why do they draw attention to their teammate and make them look suspect with their crumb?

Maybe it backfired - they hoped to bring up the topic because they weren't finding a crumb. Then Kerset comes along and explains that the traitor is expected to crumb.

[Kerset]

Yeah, I understand t3 much, our thoughts were the same in a couple of times. I can understand his logics in moments. Im ready to protect him at least on the firtst day. He should be a town. What kind of town - this is still the question.
And if he is a scum he doesnt try to pocket me much, because after tr in the beginning i became somewhere about null for him for some time...
Enchant is much worse in his scumreading anybody, no useful info from there. Kitty too.
And we have Artemiana like almost neutral option for the first the most difficult day

I dont think that t3 didnt understand before claiming that there is almost no hope to elim kitty at that moment, othervise this is some too unexperienced thinking, t3 doesnt look so unexperienced

Cant understand why are you repeatin about wagon going nowhere in Arte. Almost nobody votes there. A wagon. Nowhere. Sounds beauty, but nonsense. Arte has some serious problems throughout the game

Im going sleep too

Honestly, i dont know much common rules and statistics of appearing two cops in one game, but if there is very big chance of 1 scum in kitty-t3, then kitty's reaction on t3 is so so bad... He likes reading wiki and played here more games than me, so he should know this possibility even better than me. But smth tells me that they are not 2 true cops, that will be weird and so unbelievable accident

T3 [6] - ..., Enchant
...
Enchant [2] - T3, ...

Yes I town read T3.

Yeah I still think he'll flip green.

So if they are both so townies for you why didn't you stop somehow this huge endless attack from T3 (who wasn't townie for you) to your almost only townie Enchant?
Other players were discussing are reasons good or bad to scumread Enchant like T3 for slipping... You kept silent the whole time, absolutely ignoring this topic (though you had voted T3, but not for long and as it seems mostly because of his new claim, not because any other reason). You called Enchant town before "slip", then T3 attacked Enchant, and now you call them both townies...
Is it normal? T3 was attacking maybe the towniest person you have in your ISO, but you like doesn't care about Enchant's problems, town's problems...
This smells like fake from your side. Fake phrase "Enchant town" - like you don't really believe it (like maybe your partner or maybe you are a scum and he is townie, so you doesnt care).

I got to this thoughts thinking could you be with T3 like partners? Because you said "Enchant townie", then T3 starting to cry with caps lock "Enchant is scum", and there is almost no reaction on that from you, like it is ok for you.

So maybe you can be partners with T3, not scumreading him and not intercepting of doing smth bad for town from your POV... And just pocketing Enchant.
Or maybe you are partners with Enchant and trying not to show it much with the defense, hoping that this storm will end soon.

Because for a townie it is rather strange not to defend your townies, in which colors you are sure enough...

sorry, typing rather fast, maybe a lot of mistakes

[Almost50]

Why does that make them a traitor vs being normal faction scum

Because the case itself could be taken as a crumb for being said Traitor. Why would anyone make a case on a Traitor at the start of the day rather than look for associative tells between flipped Scum and other living players?

[bloodhail]

T3 scum

VOTE: T3

Std scum too i think, and he didnt sr t3
Both tred me, std said that we are towns with dgb

T3 is bulletproof scum i think, he doesnt give a shit
Maybe even a traitor who need to show mafia that he is with them

Somebody from kitty/enchant/anastasia/andre are scums still but not all

If t3 is scum there are less chances to find a scum among mark/kers/xp, though at least 1 is possible

Nero hard town, my bet

You are walking dead, T3

I thought vasex claimed scum with the self vote.

No cop would believe that so fast about his hard tr
You are 100% fake cop, lied about hard town

I thought vasex claimed scum with the self vote.

i should be the towniest player with 5 hundred of messages per day.
if people dont believe me (and mathematically there are townies among people who vote me), these people either have some problems with reading the other players because of huge lack of experience maybe, or i was doing smth very wrong (and most of voters are against t3)... and your most strange and rather unexpactable vote to me after hard townreading is a good answer to this question, good clue.
if this is just your stupid mistake for the cop, well you deserve to pay for it. i've never seen a cop who betrays his hard town so fast, unbelievable. they need all possible support, especially in your situation, they should be afraid to elim townie. you lied about smth - about your role, or about townreading me hard. you easy found a reason to vote me, with having some fun, joking and absolutely relaxed about that. i dont believe your reaction in #2375

btw please remind your role, what is it? could you claim that again in loud? you was avoiding this discussion, for example about 2-nights and 2-shots

i could quote a million more posts but i hope i make my point clear

[Kerset]

you realize there were a LOT of posts between then and the end of the day, right?

As i said he did a 180 once T3 situation was hopless

[Almost50]

you're scum it doesn't matter what you think

You can type that a couple of hundred times more and may stick. Keep up the good work.

[Save The Dragons]

i could quote a million more posts but i hope i make my point clear

that only at the end of the day was vasex concerned about limming T3?

[DrippingGoofball]

1. Traitors are usually equipped with bulletproof to avoid swing.
2. Traitor knows scum identity but scum doesn't know traitor,

so crumbing is necessary

.

Asking

for a crumb?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

He was begging people to vote Kitty.

I bet, that T3 is town. It is rather difficult to figure out and this is a risky bet. I read his ISO and the important moments with him. Many times, again and again, there is not so much text.
Or he is too good mafia. Too good for the first elim, i definitely against that. At least I want to play with him more time, to see what he will say after the night, if he will be alive.

That claim... This is another question. There is a possibility that it is true: unchanged willing to elim Kitty... even talking about bp - is to avoid nk maybe, if he is a cop... But like in situation with Etine - I'm not sure about this. I can think, that it can be fake, but not necessary scummy fake... This can be complicated, especially after few other claims.
All claims in this game were weird, but Kitty has the scummiest in my opinion.

So it is better to attack the team of Kitty instead of anything else (if not Kitty).

Are you saying bloodhail has just -God forbid- told us all a LIE??