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[GrandpaMo]

[quote="In post 523, T3"][/quote]

u gave no contribution for pro town behavior

[Menalque]

This is honestly more of a prodge than it should be but I’ve just been really busy with flat hunting + new job

Haven’t read for a few days, but I know you want answers from me Dann and I should have time to sit down and play in the next day or two

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

does any1 actually townread DrapScum or can we get this show on the road alrdy

[Almost50]

Now you get to me on using surface level logic. do YOU really think mason lovers will make it that obvious??? everyone here, I think, is experienced enough to not make it that obvious for mafia.

It doesn't matter how experienced

other

players are. If Drap's experience tells him it's possible then it's the strategy he will follow. It is

his

experience level that matters here.

[Almost50]

im still waiting on pine's full reads

as well as NM + dann other reads

Waiting for other reads from N_M is like waiting for a kangaroo to lay an egg. It's never gonna happen.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is near the high end of possible NM contribution imo

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yo drapion, why no response to my halfassed case on you?

Must have missed it.
What’s the number?

P.S. I’m also playing another game on another site.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Not to mention these 10 Hour Shifts for these 2 Weeks are kicking me.
So I’m not as active during week days.

[ProfessorDrapion]

does any1 actually townread DrapScum or can we get this show on the road alrdy

That’s just mean.
NGL, I could or could not be an Alt that is a PL on their main.

[ProfessorDrapion]

But this Professor is no PL this game!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Now you get to me on using surface level logic. do YOU really think mason lovers will make it that obvious??? everyone here, I think, is experienced enough to not make it that obvious for mafia.

It doesn't matter how experienced

other

players are. If Drap's experience tells him it's possible then it's the strategy he will follow. It is

his

experience level that matters here.

Again.
Even if I am scum. (Which I’m not) as I repeatedly said before, that’s not how I would hunt for Masons.
But that is how I try and grab town credit as scum so I look good, because as town I grab info to solve and as scum I grab it to look like I’m solving so people TR me.

Now ask yourself, how many people TR me?

Mena.
Maybe Grandpa?

[ProfessorDrapion]

But like, that’s pretty much it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

This is near the high end of possible NM contribution imo

Man, he should go for a NOT MAFIA special this game.
Post more posts then twice his most posted FM games.

[Bingle]

Yo drapion, why no response to my halfassed case on you?

Must have missed it.
What’s the number?

P.S. I’m also playing another game on another site.

:eyebrows:

As to why people are scumreading Prof:

His entrance sounded forced, and his immediate justification for it makes me think he's too worried about how he's coming across. 19 is a bit performative and I don't particularly like the way he danced around my wagon. This was less of a big deal when I thought he was a true newbie, but being an alt makes it less likely to simply be jitters.

His fluff/content ratio is actually pretty good, but the content he does have is very political. Sheeping me and asking for my other reads is a very safe move, even if I'm right on Gypyx. 103 shows an effort=town read for both me and Mena. VFP/T3/Gypyx feel mostly like fluff reads. It feels more like a readslist because he thought I expected him to have reads at that point in the game than a genuine reads list. I also would have expected a natural thought process to put the very similar reads of me and Mena adjacent to each other, rather than as bookends to the weaker, low content reads.

It's been mentioned that 113 is a pretty awful take. (A50 calling VFP's post a scumclaim is incredibly nonintuitive and I'd expect anyone without extensive A50 experience to look at that and go "What are you smoking old man?" not "Oh, yeah, 3 townreads in RVS is a scumclaim.") This suggests to me that Prof had absolutely no paranoia about A50's comment, which shows a distinct lack of town perspective in that he wasn't trying to figure out A50's alignment.

128 is a defense by way of pedantry (often scum). It's not "I'm not scummy and here's why" it's "You shouldn't think I'm scummy for that specific reason."

teal deer: He's playing a very political game, and I don't think his solving is genuine.

[Bingle]

It doesn't matter how experienced other players are. If Drap's experience tells him it's possible then it's the strategy he will follow. It is his experience level that matters here.

Again, I think that's far more likely to be LAMIST than PR hunting.

Drap's response does kinda seem like a "You've caught me for the wrong reasons" defense though.

[GrandpaMo]

Why is T3 scum: Contextual Context

Spoiler:

Hmm. One of my top two scum reads coming to the defense of the other.

Can you elaborate a bit on the T3 read? I'm interested in why you think he's scum.

Alright so Bingle. I will explain to you why T3 is scum from my perception. They start as a vote to pooky as a soul read. (rvs prolly so nai). Then, In post 119 luketown gets townread by T3. However when I finally join in and find Luke scummy, t3 backs off and starts voting them. T3 then in post T3 says they have a good defense after me saying that was a fair assessment. Both times when I went on luke, T3 goes in as well and when I get off luke, T3 does too. It honestly just seems like scum sheeping here. Then me and luke pressure T3 onto why they did that, they answer luke by saying u had a different reaction saying the reaction was bad to the scumread but to the votes were towny. That literally makes no sense. Votes >>> Scumreads. Luke was right, they had the same reaction so I do not know what the difference is. T3 follows up by saying "I don't think you understand me". T3 then says he doesn't know why prof is scum then Bingle when you make that scumcase on Drap, T3 replies saying that makes sense. Again blantly sheeping. And I think T3 could have done so much more. The only really towny thing T3 has done tho is Post 514 where they vote VFP but that could be scum playing the diffusion of assessment where they know everyone is focusing on one person but to not get caught up in that mess and be alligned or seen scum, they focus on another person. They gave the reasons of "lack of contribution or reads" and honestly that is so hypcoritical because they say they have gave reads. They have gave no reads whatsoever. The only reads are implied reads... and that comes from votes and the only info you can get out of that are scumreads. They also deflected my questions multiple time, in face never answered any of my questions. This is just flat out right scum and you townread T3 more than Drap? Still don't know why.

Defense to Bingle's Post 489 + T3 Proof

Spoiler:

I will actually defend Drap here because they are my townread and I see what Bingle is talking about but I still have some points to make.

As to why people are scumreading Prof:

His entrance sounded forced, and his immediate justification for it makes me think he's too worried about how he's coming across. 19 is a bit performative and I don't particularly like the way he danced around my wagon. This was less of a big deal when I thought he was a true newbie, but being an alt makes it less likely to simply be jitters.

His fluff/content ratio is actually pretty good, but the content he does have is very political. Sheeping me and asking for my other reads is a very safe move, even if I'm right on Gypyx.

This is exactly what T3 did. I see that more as a fallacy. Because yes while you could claim that he sheeped your reads (which I don't even know; I am just going based of what you said) then what about everyone that followed along this BW who haven't even placed their reads yet. For example, pooky in post 45. (even if it is as a meme because now its their real read and never answered my question.

103 shows an effort=town read for both me and Mena.

I townread you and Mena well use to for Mena (they are more null now due to inactivity.) but I am not being scumread? They gave the same reads as me. Could be a sheep but like I said you could say that about other people in this game.

VFP/T3/Gypyx feel mostly like fluff reads.

What is a fluff read? I am assuming some BS read that scum makes on the spot? Eh, I could see that but the T3 read is justified in 105. Look, they sy that T3's enterence wasn't bad and the progression towards pooky. And if you look in post 105, they point out the enterence read (even though I disagree with it) on how T3 votes Pooky and what they said is worse then Dann's enterence. I feel like that is actual trying. If they were scum, they would have never talked about it... especially after Mena stated that Dann read.

It feels more like a readslist because he thought I expected him to have reads at that point in the game than a genuine reads list. I also would have expected a natural thought process to put the very similar reads of me and Mena adjacent to each other, rather than as bookends to the weaker, low content reads.

That is more subjective and sometimes is deciphered with Bias. I think that's more NAI.

It's been mentioned that 113 is a pretty awful take. (A50 calling VFP's post a scumclaim is incredibly nonintuitive and I'd expect anyone without extensive A50 experience to look at that and go "What are you smoking old man?" not "Oh, yeah, 3 townreads in RVS is a scumclaim.") This suggests to me that Prof had absolutely no paranoia about A50's comment, which shows a distinct lack of town perspective in that he wasn't trying to figure out A50's alignment.

128 is a defense by way of pedantry (often scum). It's not "I'm not scummy and here's why" it's "You shouldn't think I'm scummy for that specific reason."

Hmm. Drap also never included A50 in their reads. Also in post 109 they claim they will have a lot of more reads after EoD and that could be signfying their playstyle. So maybe Bingle, this is them saying hey my reads weren't as good but after EoD, I can give you the reads you are looking for. Unless you were talking about the quality at the time which is understandable but them saying that is actually seeing that they actually didn't have the potential as town to give the full in depth analytical reads until the specified town. So back to the post... in post 13, VFP votes T3 (RVS) saying every post above me is town as a meme. Then A50 votes VFP probably as a meme. That's how I saw it. Drap then replies to that post saying they didn't notice that till you pointed it out which I actually don't know what it means; they townread VFP so I doubt they actually believed that read; more of a sarcastic telling. You see how A50 never pointed that out? Or anyone else? Even you at that time never said anything till now, if you really had scumread them for not appealing to what you said, then you would have probably gotten offended at that time and replied and asked what it meant etc (trying to solve Drap's allignment). Look in post 124 where Gypx replies to the exact same one and says "pls tell me you're not serious" . Then they vote Drap because of what they replied to A50. Drap then responds that there are more scummier things than that. He asks to explain and implies that gypx is reaching for a reason to vote them. Okay now I see your response where in post 133 you say this is the third most compelling reason to wagon him. Gypx claims that he took the thing too seriously and claims that he should have voted which is a weird take... I wouldn't have done that and I don't know who would. I don't even think at that time Drap was scumreading Gypx to even place a vote. Last read was on 103 claiming they were more null. This is why I started scumreading Gypx more than Drap. Drap then responds to Gypx using what I said of how Drap townread VFP in their reads so them saying "NGl, I didn't notice that til lyou pointed it out" wasn't them trying to find VFP scum. Drap already had voted Gypx as drap explains and that's why they didn't vote them. as well as them saying there is more scummy reasons to case them on which is LAMIST but that could just be town portraying humbleness of a read where they see, the potrayed scum in this case Gypx scumreading them based o nsomething they thought they did was towny (as town).

teal deer: He's playing a very political game, and I don't think his solving is genuine.

I really don't see why prof is scum. I'm going to UNVOTE: for now.

As to why people are scumreading Prof:

His entrance sounded forced, and his immediate justification for it makes me think he's too worried about how he's coming across. 19 is a bit performative and I don't particularly like the way he danced around my wagon. This was less of a big deal when I thought he was a true newbie, but being an alt makes it less likely to simply be jitters.

His fluff/content ratio is actually pretty good, but the content he does have is very political. Sheeping me and asking for my other reads is a very safe move, even if I'm right on Gypyx. 103 shows an effort=town read for both me and Mena. VFP/T3/Gypyx feel mostly like fluff reads. It feels more like a readslist because he thought I expected him to have reads at that point in the game than a genuine reads list. I also would have expected a natural thought process to put the very similar reads of me and Mena adjacent to each other, rather than as bookends to the weaker, low content reads.

It's been mentioned that 113 is a pretty awful take. (A50 calling VFP's post a scumclaim is incredibly nonintuitive and I'd expect anyone without extensive A50 experience to look at that and go "What are you smoking old man?" not "Oh, yeah, 3 townreads in RVS is a scumclaim.") This suggests to me that Prof had absolutely no paranoia about A50's comment, which shows a distinct lack of town perspective in that he wasn't trying to figure out A50's alignment.

128 is a defense by way of pedantry (often scum). It's not "I'm not scummy and here's why" it's "You shouldn't think I'm scummy for that specific reason."

teal deer: He's playing a very political game, and I don't think his solving is genuine.

That makes sense, I was actually about to ask why.

I'm not sayin the thin ISO is AI, I'm saying lack of contribution or reads is AI. I'm town, have a thin ISO but I've been giving reads.

See, this is what really bothers me here. This is what I was referring to as T3 changed their reads.

Why is Drap town: Contextual Context + Analysis

Spoiler:

This is hypocritical because yourself haven't gave any reads and I explained it above.

Now I will do some concurrent reads on Drap that are towny in my eyes. Because pooky asked I think.

Also before I start... I want to point out about the PR hunting thing (which I didn't even know that was thing really in this setup till some time later). @A50 you claim the regarding how it can be seen as pr hunting but @Bingle (your townread) does the same thing in post 194 where they ask pooky regarding their "motivation/reads" I just think that playstyle of Drap is NAI and could be seen from both side of the world.

In post 170, Drap answers my question regarding they being town and I actually was expecting that reaction, it felt geninue as it was a unique read. "You added something new as giving more preszsure to those weren't receiving it." as well as "Despite myself being put in your Poe I liked how and the way you covered both me and Gypx" Scum doesn't focus attention on themselves like that. If they were scum, all that info I said in that analytical post and Drap points THAT specific post? Eh, I don't see them doing that as scum.

In post 245, they reply to Lukewarm's scumcase and I actually hate Luke's points here because all of that is debunked with Drap's points. Number 1 is a valid reason and the actual truth. 2 is more subjective. 3, again I thought it was Sarcastic too. "nice enterence to T3 saying WTF" lol, how can you take that seriously. 4. Drap did mention Gypx. 5. I think 5 is the only good point out of your whole scum case @Luke, and Drap I expected a better reactio nto that. 6, Drap is right here....It is so obvious that it was fake especially when Drap townread VFP way before hand in their 103 reads.

@lukewarm I actually read back through this and now really see how bad those reads are. This actually makes you look scummier than Drap ngl.

All your points are off (there is literal proof that could debunk all of your points) besides maybe point 5.

I don't know how you were reading that... but it just seemed you as scum trying to pinpoint information making Drap look bad as possible. My scumread puts out this bad scumcase on Drap, of couse I will give townpings on Drap.

Gypx has the worse quote here in post 309 where they only respond to only one of what Drap says (their rebutall points) and says that don't see other stuff to case them and so they ask them what do you think is more scummy. Drap response in 314 feels geninue of town confusion and just not them being able to decipher what Gypx is saying. Why would you as town give someone else who YOU scumread another 'scummier" reason just because you told them there is another scummier reason. If they tell you that there was a scummer reason to scumcase them on and you ask them that question then that means you as scum probably never checked what Drap said earlier or maybe never read up on contextual reads based on other peoples interactions but solely on what you are interacting between Gypx + Drap. This analysis just finds me that Gypx is scum here for that weird ass question. In post 315, they understand the question and says to go read Lukewarm's case on them which in post 316 he continues to say that Luke at least gave multiple things why he was scummy and further scumreads Gypx because they choose a post at random and decide to call it your vote reasoning which is what Gypx exactly did.

Drap also in post 317 responds to Gypx saying how come they responded to me but nothing about Lukewarm (I am assuming our reaction) which is a town ping because it just seems like Drap is trying to figure out Gypyx's true allingment here and their interactions with others including me + lukewarm. But that is subjective and needs more clarification from Drap themselves.

Gypx then goes out to his way to say they don't read posts. Gypx reiterates the same question which Drap already answered by the way. Drap says it was an omgus because Drap had their vote way before Gypx made their line of reasoning on Drap.

In post 319, Gypx agrees to go read Lukewarm's case on Drap to find what's scummier than Gypx's own line of reasoning.

In post 323, they say to quit deflecting. Even though, drap answered everything in post 320 and 315-316 to both questions of what Gypx asked. Gypyx even AGREED to read over the lukewarm's case on Drap just to look at reasons. Drap explains in post 324, on how he is NOT deflecting.

Gypyx had this shitty interaction with Drap and everyone calls Drap out, and its in the sense of me thinking how does Gypyx get away with bad push and reasonings. If you look back in that whole interaction, you can see comprehend that interaction and find that Gypyx looks way worse than Drap. In fact Gypyx becoems a hypocrite later on and deflects other people's reads and etc.

I don't think post 431 was ever in consideration of Bingle's analysis on Drap. They give more in depth reasonins as Drap promised they would do and they have stayed consistent with their reads on 380. They are actually reading the game and trying to solve especially ISOing the game and referencing different posts there and there and they also give a unique read on Mena.

Post 432, NGL is weird though.

In post 442, Drap gives NM multiple quotes of his to see which one they think they could be scum. What fucking mafia does that

Please. Tell me a world where Drap scum does this and makes it purposeful for other people to find dirt on them. Scum never risks that.

In post 460, scum luke hops on the "Drap is hunting prs" wagon. Even though everyone in this game including Drap has given their reads and that claim is literally useless.

I really think I am right here. There is no way Drap flips scum here if they were to get condemned.

I would really hate to vote Drap here but I don't want to NC on day 1, so that will be the only time I will be voting Drap is to get a condemn on Day one. (unless we can do that? i don't know, I was informed in Newbie games that's a bad thing, don't know about this setup though.)

But I expect you @Drap to actually defend yourself here IF you are town. And to give reasonings for your scumreads and on why you are town. DO NOT sheep me as it would be obvious. I am defending you more than you defended yourself and its honestly sad.

I still hope town actually sees this on how Drap is townier at least than t3 + luke and honestly the 3 scum are Luke, T3, and Gypyx.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm gonna need that in one sentence Gramps I can't read anything that goes over my reading limit.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is the proper format:

Drap is town because ___________

^ the reason used here should be your strongest reason.

[GrandpaMo]

This is the proper format:

Drap is town because ___________

^ the reason used here should be your strongest reason.

It's not just that. I said contextual read because its based on the context of other people around. Its not just because I townread drap because of x, y, z. Just read the last part and it gives you in depth analyis of my view on why I townread drap.

[Almost50]

@Grandpa:

So, you are saying SCUM!T3 sheeped you TWICE into voting SCUM!Luke, despite YOU thinking earlier that it's not a good idea to bus on D1 in this setup?

OK, you're Town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i can't read something that long

a50 help me

[GrandpaMo]

@Grandpa:

So, you are saying SCUM!T3 sheeped you TWICE into voting SCUM!Luke, despite YOU thinking earlier that it's not a good idea to bus on D1 in this setup?

OK, you're Town.

they don't even think luke is scum anymore lol

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yo drapion, why no response to my halfassed case on you?

Must have missed it.
What’s the number?

P.S. I’m also playing another game on another site.

:eyebrows:

As to why people are scumreading Prof:

His entrance sounded forced, and his immediate justification for it makes me think he's too worried about how he's coming across. 19 is a bit performative and I don't particularly like the way he danced around my wagon. This was less of a big deal when I thought he was a true newbie, but being an alt makes it less likely to simply be jitters.

His fluff/content ratio is actually pretty good, but the content he does have is very political. Sheeping me and asking for my other reads is a very safe move, even if I'm right on Gypyx. 103 shows an effort=town read for both me and Mena. VFP/T3/Gypyx feel mostly like fluff reads. It feels more like a readslist because he thought I expected him to have reads at that point in the game than a genuine reads list. I also would have expected a natural thought process to put the very similar reads of me and Mena adjacent to each other, rather than as bookends to the weaker, low content reads.

It's been mentioned that 113 is a pretty awful take. (A50 calling VFP's post a scumclaim is incredibly nonintuitive and I'd expect anyone without extensive A50 experience to look at that and go "What are you smoking old man?" not "Oh, yeah, 3 townreads in RVS is a scumclaim.") This suggests to me that Prof had absolutely no paranoia about A50's comment, which shows a distinct lack of town perspective in that he wasn't trying to figure out A50's alignment.

128 is a defense by way of pedantry (often scum). It's not "I'm not scummy and here's why" it's "You shouldn't think I'm scummy for that specific reason."

teal deer: He's playing a very political game, and I don't think his solving is genuine.

19 Post Rhyme so I said it.
I’m not focused on A50’s alignment RN. I’ve only looked into Dann fully if you read my ISO dive read on them.
Also as I said before I didn’t notice it that way when VFP said that, only when it was fully pointed out to me I realized how it was said and that it can be perceived that way. Still NAI though and not the worse entrance this game by far, especially considering we are getting this much content out of it!
Also yes, people can SR me as people can TR me. Just do it for an actual reason, instead of a theory that isn’t even well thought out.

[Almost50]

i can't read something that long

a50 help me

I am colour blind. Can't see

RED

[ProfessorDrapion]

i can't read something that long

a50 help me

Read last post of his big long spoiler post!