In post 975, Lukewarm wrote:I am not sure how that out-of-thread quote is supposed to clear you here?
In that game you said "I absolutely am not claiming unless there's intent to hammer" but then in this game, you said "If T3 or marci express a willingness to vote me I'll claim." while only having 2 votes on you. And that seems like two different approaches to take if you were VT in both games
And I am not sure that it would necessarially make sense for scum!you to follow thorugh with the claim, given the gamestate.
You made what could be taken as a soft claim in post 629, and then not long after Not_Mafia claimed doc in post 649. So I could see scum!you soft claiming, but changing direction once Not_Mafia claimed their role.
Reading through a duel iso between you and Not_Mafia makes it look like he thought the same thing. Since he knew he was the jailkeeper, and Marci had not been CC'ed, then you hinting at being a PR would have been a major red flag from his PoV.
Spoiler:
In post 975, Lukewarm wrote:At first blush I took it as a soft claim. I thin k that multiple other players did t oo. If I am remembering correctly, both T3 and Marci commented on it, and like I showed in the spoilers, not_mafia voted not long after it.
628, Not_Mafia wrote:Did catboi just slip we're in Tracker/Doc/RolecopIn post 629, catboi wrote:If T3 or marci express a willingness to vote me I'll claim.I think Lukewarm is playing like obvscum, beyond that I don't have strong reads to leaveIn post 630, catboi wrote:In post 628, Not_Mafia wrote:Did catboi just slip we're in Tracker/Doc/RolecopI made a guess.In post 631, Not_Mafia wrote:Based on what?In post 632, catboi wrote:In post 631, Not_Mafia wrote:Based on what?based on T3 trying to draw out jailkeeper claims and me straight-up forgetting that jailkeeper+tracker could be a thingIn post 634, Not_Mafia wrote:T3 vote catboiAt first blush I took it as a soft claim. I think that multiple other players did too. If I am remembering correctly, both T3 and Marci commented on it, and like I showed in the spoilers, not_mafia voted not long after it.
1. It's actually not clearing whatsoever! Because I can't demonstrate that I
don't
act that way as scum! But I brought it up because I actually thought it was similar to this game. If you don't see it, thats ok, but for me the experience
feels
similar, but my perception is obviously biased.
The main difference is the circumstances around the wagon on me - in that game, it was day 1 and a lot of the players were weirdly tunnely, I wanted to avoid claiming unless forced to. I wasn't sure that there would be another player who would vote me in that game, for one thing, and for another, I know that Day 1 VT claims very often voted out. (I eventually claimed out of frustration anyway). But
in that game, I was deliberately ambiguous about my claim at first because I wanted to give the impression I might be a PR.
In almost any game as town I try be as ambiguous about my role as possible because making your role obvious for the mafia is bad.
In this game, at the time, people were scattered and divided, and and I thought it was possible the wagon on me would stick simply because there wasn't an option elsewhere. So I made that post. It wasn't intended to give the impression I was a PR this time, but my attitude is largely the same - I also didn't want to give away the fact that I was VT too early, because there's no pro-town benefit to that.
Not_Mafia had been tunneling me since day 1 because I incorrectly scumread him, his turn to voting me after that post does not mean he felt I was softclaiming.
I don't mean to seem disrespectful but the crux of your case for me possibly being scum is you
imagining
a post I made
could
be a softclaim, and that's incredibly stupid. It's attributing malign motive to a post anyone could have made that is ultimately incredibly insignificant in the oveerall scope of the game. This is an incredibly terrible way to scumhunt. If you were interrogating me over my bad read of VFP, I'd get it. But this is an incredibly frustrating accusation to defend against because it's based entirely on something you've made up in your head about a single post.
Your argument amounts to: I think catboi softclaimed in a post to get a wagon off him, so he could be scum. That's absolutely terrible reasoning. What about my overall play? What about VFP pushing me harder than anyone else after the jailkeeper claim? To potentially base your evaluation of me
on a single post about claiming that should be NAI
is...just ludicrous.