Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[Venus Fly Trap]

Im not sure about Iverson being scum here. I kinda hate the position were in because we now gotta pinpoint the remaining three scum to even win

i mean what's townie abt him exactly ...

and yes it's a sucky place :/

[Venus Fly Trap]

I'm pretty sure my statement above+statements on interactions w/ flipped slots suffice to answer the first question.

i don't think so, no

right, he seemed to have been thinking through while u were talking to him
i'm not really sure why that's scummy hto
(or why yesterday you were calling to like 'coach' him through this process and explicilty call him *not* scum but today it's scummy either)

With this I'm throwing in the towel for the night.

>.>

I am fine with you thinking I am scum and request that you vote me regardless of alignment while I am gone.

that is probably where i will end up, yes

[Kismet]

help

[Venus Fly Trap]

i associate more activity + pushing-ness with town-you and while you were kinda like that in early game it's the sort of thing i think you have a very hard time keeping up so the read has devolved. and can u show me where you think you're being conviction-ful (i'm sure there's a real word for that but it's escaping my mind atm)
fwiw panic room is the baseline i'm going off of

My whole interaction with bulge d2 (until I doubted myself), my interaction with iverson today feels like things I would've approached with less convinction as scum

Panic room is not a great baseline because I mostly dropped off because I felt like the game was lost, but I do sometimes tend to drop off as scum

ig i don't really see the conviction. or, more accurately, there's less conviction than i would expect to see from town-you
i was under the impression that panic room was a decent example of typical-scum-infinity, esp. given divide and conquer how u kept using that as a reference for why you *weren't* scum

now you're kinda saying that isn't a prototypical scumgame?

[Venus Fly Trap]

help

hi bork >.>

[Momrangal]

(Bork/notty)
(Mena/iverson)
(Vft/infinity/cakes)

I think, if scum bork and noddy have been playing an A+ town games, and i feel like Mena/ydra and Iverson.are too sloppy for associtives. To rely on hydra diss to move from NM to Bulge seems like a great way to get everyone to look at you and idk, I've liked Iverson for a large portion of the game.

Skitter and lillith though woul alao have to have been playing a great game if scum so idk

[Kismet]

mara you think both parties involved on the blitz onto bulge at the end are town?

[Kismet]

prism what happened to you being really sure ydrasse was scum at the end of yesterday

[Kismet]

and then the last tier i think is the best bet for hitting scum, and i think there's at least one, probably two, in there
i actually like sircakez out of all of them the best: i like his entrance today, he's p persistantly pushed for nm yesterday, and he also has anti-partner associatives with l/g
i still think mom is scummy, and am just not convinced by any of the reasons presented for townreading her
and i utterly hate everything prism has done since/including the hammer

why all this qualification on cakez? why not just move him up a tier?

[Infinity 324]

now you're kinda saying that isn't a prototypical scumgame?

It's not and I don't even know what a typical scumgame of mine would be, most of my recent ones are really small. Though I think the way I played d1 in panic room is a decent representation of how I play d1s as scum

I'm not really sure how to respond to you saying it's less conviction than you'd expect me to have as scum, it felt like more conviction to me. Maybe we're defining conviction differently

[Venus Fly Trap]

idk that doesn't feel like the right place to put him
like he isn't part of the 're-evaluate townreads' tier but is like the best of the worst tier

[Kismet]

now you're kinda saying that isn't a prototypical scumgame?

It's not and I don't even know what a typical scumgame of mine would be, most of my recent ones are really small. Though I think the way I played d1 in panic room is a decent representation of how I play d1s as scum

I'm not really sure how to respond to you saying it's less conviction than you'd expect me to have as scum, it felt like more conviction to me. Maybe we're defining conviction differently

this isn't helping me stave off paranoia and i request you change tack if you can

why the flip from iverson onto dc?

[Kismet]

i gotta say cakez 2800 hit me in the townfeels

[Iverson]

Bork, notsci
Infinity

Momra, DC
VFT

Cakez

Might dig up meta to see how bushappy Momra is if I feel like it.

[Momrangal]

i've fallen for the not maf policy yeet too many times

I stg if we have to have another conversation about policy limming and why it’s worth it I will put my face through my desk given the context

-Mena

this post just doesn't make anry sense as town. why is he so opposed to this conversation? it's not like the thread was getting blown up
the "put my face through desk" comment seems like a huge exaggeration

I have one tentative TR so fsr

he has no development of reads as stated

I'm not confident notsci is town, should I be?

Notsci is my one TR lol

-Mena

and notsci? doesn't make any sense

I wasn’t pissed at you I was just a bit frustrated that EVERYONE was shooting it down

bc I have no baseline or any idea of who it is and that inherently makes me slightly +sus unless it’s hectic (which it apparently isn’t)

I’m not SRing them, I just feel uneasy with the slot

-Mena

uneasy but not SRing is such a cop-out

I just really hate the posting around NM and notsci

@cakes

I already made my stance on N_M clear

actually I went through your ISO and couldn’t find any “clear stance” about NM whatsoever. I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned that NM is usually town when he’s being wagoned, like in panic room. That makes me think you’re trying not to lean too hard one way or the other on an NM wagon in case it does actually go through.

re: opinion on Nacho, like I said I don’t understand how someone comes to the conclusion that NM is the most valuable elim we can make D1. I don’t buy that this is a genuine town thought process from nacho. I think it’s more likely that nacho is trying to sacrifice a buddy to an elim so that he gets to direct an NK than scum!nacho trying to miselim the LHF town!NM so that he can sacrifice someone on his team who is presumably more valuable to his team than NM is to town. why ever go after such LHF like that when you have to sacrifice a partner for it? ergo, scumbuddies.

- lilith

you're literally ignoring me, so you can stop pretending that you're trying to read me whatsoever. "waiting on Lilith to give town pings" okay well how exactly are you doing that if you're not even reading my posts, and in particular the parts of those posts that are addressed to you?

- lilith

I missed this post somehow, I always address things aimed at me.
The meta that I had where NM is town if he is being wagoned has been proven not true so I don't use that anymore.

i've fallen for the not maf policy yeet too many times

I guess this was not clear enough but I have 0 interest in elimming NM today.

Cakes NM stances D1.

Yesterday he kept saying that scum is probably bussing NM and used that as a reason to push me so i dont unerstand why hes suddenly (were only hunting on thebulger wagon

[Infinity 324]

this isn't helping me stave off paranoia and i request you change tack if you can

why the flip from iverson onto dc?

I'm mostly trying to sort skitt but it probably isn't helpful

I still feel like iverson and salsa have been towny on play, I mostly voted iverson to try to get an explanation on the hammer

Ydrasse's bulge vote looks particularly bad given both heads' insistence on a bulge vote over an NM vote earlier in the day

[Venus Fly Trap]

now you're kinda saying that isn't a prototypical scumgame?

It's not and I don't even know what a typical scumgame of mine would be, most of my recent ones are really small. Though I think the way I played d1 in panic room is a decent representation of how I play d1s as scum

I'm not really sure how to respond to you saying it's less conviction than you'd expect me to have as scum, it felt like more conviction to me. Maybe we're defining conviction differently

maybe i need to do some homework and look at another scumgame or two of urs
but like the problem i'm having is that you made a massive thing in the last game i playe diwth town-you about how different you were playing than panic room and how utterly unreasonable i was being for attempting to scumread you there because you t hought i ought to have known that how you were playing just couldn't come from scum-you
and here you're kinda fading into the background more and kinda taking a different stance wrt this sort of meta

[Momrangal]

mara you think both parties involved on the blitz onto bulge at the end are town?

It sounds shitty to say yes, and i know alot of people hate to scummy to be scum but ut feels so much like tthe case here

[Venus Fly Trap]

mom let's just say sircakez is scum
the last two voters on bulge are town
so the other scum are doing what exactly

[Infinity 324]

maybe i need to do some homework and look at another scumgame or two of urs
but like the problem i'm having is that you made a massive thing in the last game i playe diwth town-you about how different you were playing than panic room and how utterly unreasonable i was being for attempting to scumread you there because you t hought i ought to have known that how you were playing just couldn't come from scum-you
and here you're kinda fading into the background more and kinda taking a different stance wrt this sort of meta

I mean yeah I'm playing differently from divide and conquer but that game was pretty rare and you've seen me be very different in PyP and jk9++ and ss3

[Kismet]

ut feels so much like tthe case here

why?

[Kismet]

instead of "the right amount of scummy to be scum"

[Venus Fly Trap]

maybe i need to do some homework and look at another scumgame or two of urs
but like the problem i'm having is that you made a massive thing in the last game i playe diwth town-you about how different you were playing than panic room and how utterly unreasonable i was being for attempting to scumread you there because you t hought i ought to have known that how you were playing just couldn't come from scum-you
and here you're kinda fading into the background more and kinda taking a different stance wrt this sort of meta

I mean yeah I'm playing differently from divide and conquer but that game was pretty rare and you've seen me be very different in PyP and jk9++ and ss3

you were easier to see as town in the first two at this point in the game tho >.>
and i was scum in ss3 and i honestly don't remember how u played there

[Kismet]

I still feel like iverson and salsa have been towny on play, I mostly voted iverson to try to get an explanation on the hammer

and you found this satisfactory?

[Momrangal]

Watching as town fucks themselves over, and watching them willingly self destruct with slight budges in that direction?