Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[clidd]

Maybe I'll hammer test Osuka today.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll get back to this game tomorrow. Sorry guys.

[Andresvmb]

Also, rationally I want to execute clidd. Insidious’ hammer is terrible, but they seemed to be efforting. What I’m really trying to figure out is why did the Town gun think that a wagon that would theoretically contain the rest of the guns made sense as a wagon yesterday. Like that was truly idiotic.

[Andresvmb]

I find it so annoying that my voice in these discussions is just blatantly ignored. I said clearly that Asteria was the least likely to be Scum. What do we do? Execute there. Because, why not?!

[Andresvmb]

Anyway I really can’t stick around.

[Andresvmb]

Please don’t do anything dumb. I also see that Koba has a vote down for Insidious. At this stage there’s a Scum between the two but what else is new. The good thing is that one choice clears two Scum. And then we have to find the last one. Who is it? I really have no fucking idea.

[clidd]

Also, rationally I want to execute clidd. Insidious’ hammer is terrible, but they seemed to be efforting. What I’m really trying to figure out is why did the Town gun think that a wagon that would theoretically contain the rest of the guns made sense as a wagon yesterday. Like that was truly idiotic.

I don't get why it's "idiotic".

[clidd]

You had absolutely no influence on the game and your day-play was poor (if town), so I don't understand why you feel entitled to criticize.

[clidd]

It's not the first time that I have seen you complaining about something and this is not just attributed to the current game.

[clidd]

If you invested more time in correcting your communication problems and less time commenting on immutable past details of others, you would have no problem having your voice/opinion heard.

[clidd]

Anyways,

VOTE: Dkkoba

[clidd]

Maybe I'll hammer test Osuka today.

Nvm

[DkKoba]

Anyways,

VOTE: Dkkoba

classic scum vote

[osuka]

To be honest I lost motivation with asteria flipping town and was hoping to be the NK.

well you better get that motivation back because her flip basically clears you so i’ve been wrong all along

[osuka]

if i were scum i would kill pooky there, its a better choice in all cases bc pooky is very active and pushes gamestate forward.

but overall i would kill in pooky/vfp

kill in pooky/vfp is obvious to me because those are the two mechanically confirmed slots. i’m not sure why that’s a discussion

[osuka]

are you folks seriously thinking that there’s a setup with a mafia doctor and only mafia aligned killing roles?

[osuka]

let the record show that i want to vote clidd here but i won’t in the interest of not instantly losing the game in the ever so improbable case that im wrong again

[Datisi]

vote count 4.01

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2021-05-14 20:30:00).

execution

InsidiousLemons [1]:

DkKoba

DkKoba [1]:

clidd

not voting [5]:

osuka, Anya, Andresvmb, InsidiousLemons, VFP

mod notes

~ one two seven three

flavour

[clidd]

I mean, if you're town and want to vote me, it's fine. We're going to lose, but considering that I had control of the game for two days and was unable to convert it in a town advantage due to the deficiency of my scumreads, a BoP would be fair as a vote justification.

[clidd]

It's not like you can magically interpret my alignment without the bias of me leading elims on town wagons and Salsabil's behavior around the role/gun situation. Judging by the information available, it's quite understandable to see the scum!Clidd scenario with more emphasis, even though it's wrong.

[clidd]

I don't think I necessarily regret any action I've taken after replacing in. Although the pushes were not very accurate, the internal process I used to get to them (T3/Asteria) made sense to me in the period before the flip, and it's likely that I would take the same action if I went back in time without the knowledge I have now. So, yeah, unlucky game.

[clidd]

If you want to prolong the game and hit scum, however, regardless of your read on me/Lemon, Dk is the best choice for today.

Scum!Clidd scenarios work better with scum!Dk than scum!Lemon, and the same applies to scum!Lemon.

[clidd]

It's likely that Lemon will win the 1v1, as I do not feel energetic to gladiate (and he, to some extent, deserves the victory for the effort applied throughout the game), but the above suggestion at least will not prolong the suffering of Vfp (considering that he will be killed during the night) and will not have to decide on D5.

[clidd]

Alternatively, we can use the time available to try to discuss, but I don't think it will be productive.

Dk will remain on the shallow postage approach to try to convey the image of genuineness, while Lemon will limit himself to long and political postings.

[InsidiousLemons]

i think i would personally rather go for clidd here, but VFP has said that a Dk lim would help convince him i'm town and while i'm not normally in the business of self-preservation, but, y'know, LyLo. if it'll help convince the leading voice of the town that i'm on their side, i'll take it. i think clidd's talk of which 1v1 is more favourable and for whom is a distraction tinged with woe-is-me AtE.

@osuka re: a vigless setup. this is a crazy set of circumstances, but consider this from my pov. the only options here are 1) we have a mafia doctor and no vig = scum!Dk and scum!clidd, or we have 3 unarmed mafia = town!Dk and scum!clidd. atp i am a bit fed up and willing to blame at least part of our floundering so far on the setup itself. i don't know whether i could believe i'm town in your shoes, but you seem to have been in that mindset so far and i would urge you not to discount that simply based on the abject absurdity of the mechanics at play here. i discarded my scumread of Dk on a mechanical basis and look what happened. as hard as i find it to believe that we're in a +mafdoc -vig universe, i find it even harder to believe that datisi would play such a cruel joke on us as giving us a gunsmith with no armed mafia. i'd rather lose based on the assumption that he wouldn't stoop to such levels than eat ourselves in a paranoid frenzy.

thoughts?