Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[InsidiousLemons]

while i'm not normally in the business of self-preservation,

but

y'know, LyLo.

[InsidiousLemons]

EBWOP (daddy)

[VFP]

Lemons you should vote for who's most likely scum out of Dk and Clidd for you.
At this point there's no threat to a quick lim on the PR claims if only the PRs are voting.

And it does help, even if scum is bussing it gives us a lot to go by and consider.

[InsidiousLemons]

Please don’t do anything dumb. I also see that Koba has a vote down for Insidious. At this stage there’s a Scum between the two but what else is new. The good thing is that one choice clears two Scum.

i think i was thinking of this post when i said vfp would prefer a dk lim to help clear me. not sure if you ever actually said that vfp

i'm not really scared of a clidd quick/miselim, since it's pretty much unthinkable to me that he's town given the circumstances, but we do have lots of time and i'm a bit jumpy around endgame since this is my first game back. correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think every living player has even posted yet today. there is more info to be gained here and i don't want a lim to happen while i'm at work.

if it helps you make connections in your head, you can consider clidd to be at a spiritual L-1 from my and osuka's combined soft-votes.

[VFP]

Well it does mean that scum are bussing.
Which suggests scum were bussing yesterday when it was just the PRs voting.

Something I'll look at when at my PC.

[clidd]

you and clidd are confscum fmpov.

i'm not really scared of a clidd quick/miselim, since it's pretty much unthinkable to me that he's town given the circumstances

Be careful, you are forgetting the intensity of your previous instance. When emulating a perspective as scum it's important to write down exactly what you should and should not be aware of. If I were in a better position, I would immediately have identified a perspective slip and you would lose the advantage you have acquired so far (this is a tip for your scumgame, btw). Confscum is confscum and not "unthinkable".

[clidd]

I'll give 24 hours for our VTs to post and help Vfp before starting my hammer test.

[clidd]

If they post, it's fine, I won't do it.

[InsidiousLemons]

this is, if i'm not mistaken, every vote count in which at least one of the potential fake PRs voted for at least one other:

Spoiler:

vote count 3.02

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

DkKoba [3]:

Anya, Andresvmb, InsidiousLemons

Anya [2]:

VFP, DkKoba

not voting [4]:

clidd, osuka, PookyTheMagicalBear, Asteria

vote count 3.03

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

DkKoba [4]:

Anya, Andresvmb, InsidiousLemons, DkKoba

Anya [1]:

VFP

not voting [4]:

clidd, osuka, PookyTheMagicalBear, Asteria

vote count 3.04

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

DkKoba [2]:

Anya, InsidiousLemons

Anya [1]:

VFP

InsidiousLemons [1]:

DkKoba

not voting [5]:

clidd, osuka, PookyTheMagicalBear, Asteria, Andresvmb

vote count 3.09

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

DkKoba [2]:

Anya, Andresvmb

Asteria [2]:

DkKoba, clidd

clidd [2]:

InsidiousLemons, Asteria

vote count 3.10

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

DkKoba [2]:

Anya, Andresvmb

Asteria [2]:

DkKoba, clidd

clidd [2]:

InsidiousLemons, Asteria

VFP [1]:

osuka

not voting [2]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, VFP

vote count 3.11

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

DkKoba [2]:

Anya, Andresvmb

clidd [2]:

InsidiousLemons, Asteria

InsidiousLemons [2]:

DkKoba, clidd

VFP [1]:

osuka

not voting [2]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, VFP

vote count 3.12

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

clidd [4]:

InsidiousLemons, Asteria, Andresvmb, VFP

InsidiousLemons [3]:

DkKoba, clidd, PookyTheMagicalBear

DkKoba [1]:

Anya

VFP [1]:

osuka

not voting [0]:

vote count 3.13

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

InsidiousLemons [3]:

DkKoba, clidd, VFP

clidd [3]:

InsidiousLemons, Asteria, Andresvmb

DkKoba [1]:

Anya

VFP [1]:

osuka

not voting [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear

vote count 3.14

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

clidd [3]:

InsidiousLemons, Asteria, Andresvmb

InsidiousLemons [2]:

DkKoba, VFP

DkKoba [1]:

Anya

VFP [1]:

osuka

Asteria [1]:

clidd

not voting [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear

vote count 3.final

with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.

execution

Asteria [5]:

clidd, DkKoba, VFP, Anya, InsidiousLemons

[HAMMER]

clidd [2]:

Asteria, Andresvmb

VFP [1]:

osuka

not voting [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear

tallying all of these up, we get:

DkKoba votes for:

- clidd in 0 VCs
- InsidiousLemons in 5 VCs

clidd votes for:

- InsidiousLemons in 2 VCs
- DkKoba in 0 VCs

InsidiousLemons votes for:

- clidd in 6 VCs
- DkKoba in 3 VCs

while these totals don't tell us a ton by themselves, clidd and Dk never vote each other, and it's worth noting that Dk doesn't take the opportunity to hammer clidd after 3.12, instead dropping in to derail the wagon in 4059.

what's most revealing to me is that in the space of 100 posts, from 3.13 to 3.final, clidd and Dk go from both voting me to both voting Asteria. Dk tries for the push on me, then clidd switches tracks to asteria after realizing it won't work, and Dk sheeps after some modest back-and-forth for plausible deniability. they hide their synchronized voting well enough with a bit of theatre to not get immediately called out, but behind the scenes this is absolutely what's going on.

@clidd hey thanks scumbuddy! oops, did i say that out loud?

you and koba are confscum in the universe where there are 2 scum in the gun pool. given that it is

pretty much unthinkable to me

that we

aren't

in that universe right now, it doesn't take much inference to figure out that there's no logical inconsistency here. but nice attempt at tying yourself to me when you flip red.

[InsidiousLemons]

i'll leave room for the VTs now. it's much slower at work than i'd expected, so i could probably keep posting, but i agree that i don't think our voices are going to be as resonant with the VT pool as their own thoughts and discussion will be.

[Anya]

VOTE: Dkkoba

another day another quest to vote out our first wolf let's see if we can finally do it

[Anya]

probably dkkoba lemons and then osuka over andres for the souffle

lemons is angling for a clidd vote here while dkkoba votes for him which is interesting going for the win while also putting the legwork in to create space between them

[Anya]

looking through yesterday's execution dkkoba and lemonsbarely talk to each other which is really weird considering lemons was calling dkkoba his strongest town at times while dkkoba was voting to kill him a lot

you'd think lemons would try more to askdkkoba why they're doing that or dkkoba would question lemons to see if they're possibly wrong but nope there's none of that dancing

they both talk to clidd plenty which would make sense since they need to convince clidd they're town since he's town but don't bother talking to each other bc they're partners in crime

LOCK THEM UP

[VFP]

Is it bad that I just want to follow Anya here?
Is that the game started we're in?

If Dk ever flips traitor then I 100% think Anya was bussing for credit.
Scum want to lim town today but need to distant.

However, maybe it is just all PRs?
2 Goons and a doc. The Non con Neo and Gunsmith not seem so weak then. While keeping it mildly scum sided.
This could just explain the late additions of Lemons and Clidd. To ensure 1 lives to the end. Scum team of 3 already know that there are no more PRs with guns. This is why the Tracker claim died because they thought that all investigation roles were out and were ready to claim on the gun Smith. Most likely expected another town role of something, could have influenced their kill on Robert over Andante
What gets me to this point is with all 3 voting asteria without a care that both of the other PRs were voting or seeing asteria as scum.
This entire day looks scum theatre and I think its all of them!

[VFP]

This means that scum will always have to lim Dk for this plan to work.
Dk flips Goon (fits with the claim of can kill)
Clidd then has to flip as Doc otherwise Lemons goon flip makes everyone go "that's not right".
But it's pretty easy to turn up the scum dial in this situation. Maybe fake a scum slip if it comes to it? We lim the doc and go, shit Lemons was town!
Next day they lim a VT.

[VFP]

However, Dk has to flip exactly goon for this to be considered.
But I like a Dk lim even if it's not all 3.

[Anya]

maybe they're all traitors and using morse code to communicate with each other

[InsidiousLemons]

i made repeated attempts to engage with koba, none of which ever received anything more than a refusal to cooperate in response, if they got a response at all. when you realize you're being ignored, at a certain point you stop wasting your breath.

[VFP]

maybe they're all traitors and using morse code to communicate with each other

You can mock but Dk goon flip means that I'm on track so far.

[InsidiousLemons]

how much more does a goon!Dk flip do to convince you that we're in the 3 PR-scum universe? had you been pegging her for a traitor/doc before?

[clidd]

Anya is like on god level of solving if town (which I do think that she is).

[InsidiousLemons]

maybe they're all traitors and using morse code to communicate with each other

if Dk does indeed flip goon i think this strongly suggests anya is clear. scum!anya in that case is fine with us just blowing through the entire PR pool, and since VFP was the one to initially suggest it, all she would have to do is sheep 2 win.

[VFP]

40% chance.
Dk has to return as has a gun.

Otherwise the gunsmith is killed. Andante coming in and saying that the claimed Vig doesn't have a gun doesn't go down too well.

I strongly doubt Dk traitor but it's an option.
Same for doc. But it is highly possible to have a PR role (with a gun). Role cop flip makes Lemons scum instantly though.

[InsidiousLemons]

Dk has to return as has a gun.

Otherwise the gunsmith is killed. Andante coming in and saying that the claimed Vig doesn't have a gun doesn't go down too well.

i agree with this logic but i would counter that the first point isn't necessarily true -- it ignores the possibility of traitor!koba. i think that possibility is more plausible than you do. if they are traitor then scum don't have (as much of) a motive to kill the gunsmith N1 because they don't know koba is one of them. it's a risky move from a non-gunned koba to claim PR knowing that they are a likely night check target, but they were locked into the claim before they were informed there was a gunsmith. even if you believe their gs softclaim was made with the knowledge that the claim was taken, i wouldn't put a night check gambit past koba.

[VFP]

That's a fair comment.