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[Vasex]

Fwiw if Vasex continues to just lowkey discredit/flame me I'm just gonna lock my vote on him for D2 and not engage with him.

very scary
please dont do it

[Marky Mark]

@Nero It's not though is it? I've already highlighted the key post where Andres shone a bright light back on T3 after others had moved away. Like yeah I see where you're trying to come from ref others had already SRed that slot, but at that point in time, people were not considering it as a serious D1 lim option.

--pedit @Vasex I mean he pushed T3 and then T3 got limmed so I'd call that serious danger

[Marky Mark]

I mean ofc I could be wrong and Andres could be a deepwolf but ockham's razor says he is just town who pushed (correctly) a slot that looked scummy.

[Marky Mark]

Right, I'm taking a break for a bit. We are going round in circles here.

[Nero Cain]

but he wasnt in the game during t3's claims and when he got most of all votes

he was there and that's why he was yelling. He just didn't vote him after awhile.

[bloodhail]

T3 is the most blatant Scum in the game. Okay I haven’t read everything so I need to go look at the claim and how it went down, but they’re absurdly Scummy.

They fake claim 1-Shot Bulletproof to try and save themselves, and then they come back with a stronger Claim (and when have you ever seen a Cop that is a Night 1 and Night 2 use only, as if anybody would ever wait to use the slot into future nights like what), and they’re alive?!

if you didnt read properly why smb need to believe in your propaganda? are u so good in reading t3? is it possible that a cop claims bp not to die at night?

Propaganda?!

T3 is like OBVIOUS Scum. In fact, it’s so obvious it’s completely painful to me.

andre, maybe because he said he is going to check you?)

This is like so bad.

You think I’m afraid of getting checked here? Please.

i dont think andres plan as scum is lurk most of the day then come back and do nothing but bus and i think vasex is underrating how much he pushed t3

[bloodhail]

vasex is clearly just tunneled from d1

[Vasex]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

Roles do exist that can pierce through vests you know that right?

Anyway I’m almost hopelessly behind but I will do my best to catch up. A lot has happened in this game without me paying much attention so I’ll give it an honest shot.

VOTE: Andres

Not sure why I

bolded

instead!

It’s not a great vote, but I’m not going to complain too much while I haven’t contributed much yet. I just hope you’ll give me some time to really catch up. I didn’t say it here (you can strictly check whether this is true from posts in another ongoing game, though other than that I will not speak about it), but I have been sick the last 2 days. I am on the mend, but I just need some time to catch up. You’ll get my updated views as soon as I can sit down and read the entire game which I certainly intend to do.

thats all

[Kerset]

T3

dies

because people want to see cop results.
Andre finally catches up as promised.
He resurrects T3 wagon which was dead.
Vasex defends T3 and accuse Andre, preventing T3 revival.

And now we got this...

i]well, t3 would have never been lynched without andre's tireless yelling that t3 was scum. [/i] but I don't think that's true and its kinda condensing to argue that we need andre to show us the way b/c we all can't play or some shit.

Your premise doesn't fit the facts here.

You read game backwards. Andre didn't know at the time that he will fail.

[Vasex]

i dont think andres plan as scum is lurk most of the day then come back and do nothing but bus and i think vasex is underrating how much he pushed t3

do nothing but bus?
but voting vasex, then nero

[Vasex]

You read game backwards. Andre didn't know at the time that he will fail.

andre promised to be in game many times. he missed all important real days.
he said that when he is a scum he doesnt appear much and has problems under pressure
and look at him now

[Kerset]

all i can say without breaking site rules is that he has two other ongoing games

[Anastasia]

You read game backwards. Andre didn't know at the time that he will fail.

andre promised to be in game many times. he missed all important real days.
he said that when he is a scum he doesnt appear much and has problems under pressure
and look at him now

Vasex, do you think it's possible that Andres simply has less time to play than you?

[Anastasia]

all i can say without breaking site rules is that he has two other ongoing games

I think this game is probably harder for him to follow along than his other games due to the speed of posting and player count.

I read his posts and I think Andres emotions/fustrations are genuine.

[Vasex]

Vasex, do you think it's possible that Andres simply has less time to play than you?

I can believe in that only when the game is short. But this game lasts many days and he misses all important moments (especially moments which are connected with his game opinion) and doesnt read many things. And yeah his explanation is lack of time... Easier to believe in any other reasons.

[Anastasia]

I don't think we will agree on Andres but I like your scumreads on STD & Windows.

I think their conversation does look a bit faked and strange.

[Nero Cain]

people were not considering it as a serious D1 lim option.

wagons ebb and flow. I think when he reached 8 votes he became a serious contender. the only other big wagons between that time are cabd and vasex.

personally, I'd argue that

T3 [5] - Rathe, KittyTacky, Vasex, bloodhail, Etine

were more influential in the rerise of the t3 wagon than andre,

This is going to have to wait until tomorrow night. But I will finish reading come hell or high water.

This is going to have to wait until tomorrow night. But I will finish reading come hell or high water.

deadline is approaching - your excuses grow thin

I’m not producing excuses - I’m saying what I’m going to do. And I already provided most of my thoughts. So you can scrutinize my opinions if you want.

^ are Andre's two posts between vc 1.29 and days end so I'm just not seeing how he's the reason that t3 eventually overtook cabd.

I realize that he has and was going to get a ton of town cred for calling t3 scum and that I look "scummy" for fighting an uphill battle b/c I don't hold the same opinion as the rest of the room but if it takes Andre to bludgeon his way through a few townies for you guys to start questioning him then fine, that's just what it takes but I think he makes a ton of sense as someone that decided to distance from him (t3).

[Vasex]

Nero, it is much easier to elim Andre and xp if std flips scum. We need to elim std now

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Nero Cain]

now watch xp and andre argue that im scum if he flips town.

[samantha97]

when*

[Cabd]

tell me or don't but i don't care about your meta

The correct answer is: I don't let my team go down ever if possible, and certainly not day one.

I'm not pooky-trust-tell levels of not bussing, but yeah.

I literally coached my entire team sans LLD past nachomamma8 in tenet in real time to make sure we didn't lose anyone.

Self meta or no, the idea of me just sitting idly by and letting my team's investigative die for literally no gain whatsoever to myself is ludicrous.

[Kerset]

and what does your selfmeta say about you not helping town at all?

[Cabd]

Hah.

Ask DK or samantha.

[Cabd]

This is kind of how it goes with me when I don't have an anchor. Less of a strong principled stand, and more of a slow churn until I find something that catches my eyes hard.