Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Andresvmb]

If this is wrong I’m sorry. I really do believe clidd is openly Scummy, I do think Anya is the most likely of the VTs to be Scum, and I absolutely don’t want to be voting with them two.

[Datisi]

vote count 4.03

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2021-05-14 20:30:00).

execution

DkKoba [2]:

clidd, Anya

InsidiousLemons [2]:

DkKoba, Andresvmb

not voting [3]:

osuka, InsidiousLemons, VFP

mod notes

~ one two seven three

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[InsidiousLemons]

if you think clidd is most likely to be scum then why oh why are you voting me when by your own admission it's more likely to lose us the game than a clidd vote is?

my current thoughts are that while clidd and koba are both confirmed to be scum (in this universe @clidd ), a koba flip will give you guys the most information about the dynamics of the scumteam. if you want me to vote then i will:

,VOTE: Koba

i'm comfortable with this elim today. as you and i both said, andres, if there's another town in the gun pool then the game is lost. and i'd rather lose that way than by speculation about some crazy gun-count fuckery.

now the question is -- when koba doesn't get hammered here, do you think it's more likely that she's town being voted by an exactly insidious + clidd + anya scumteam, or good old fashioned scum?

[InsidiousLemons]

If Koba is Scum, they definitely vote for the 1 Town amongst the guns. What’s the one weird scenario where this is not happening - If Koba is Scum and Insidious is Traitor or something right, and Insidious knows Koba is Scum so doesn’t want to vote there, but nobody can backtrack now because the vote has been out for too long?

either:

1) this fringe scenario is the reality of the situation = scum!koba and scum!lemons, or
2) scum!koba is voting town!lemons, or
3) koba is the one town in the gun pool

genuinely, based on your rereading -- which of these scenarios do you think is most likely?

[InsidiousLemons]

.now the question is -- when koba doesn't get hammered here, do you think it's more likely that she's town being voted by an exactly insidious + clidd + anya scumteam, or good old fashioned scum?

it occurs to me that this is actually a false dichotomy. fypov, there is a third scenario where koba could be scum getting bussed, which does make it more believable that she wouldn't get hammered here. this would still necessitate either a koba + clidd + anya OR a koba + lemons + anya scumteam though, unless you believe there is some number of scum in the gun pool other than 2.

[InsidiousLemons]

when koba doesn't get hammered here, do you think it's more likely that

they're

town being voted by an exactly insidious + clidd + anya scumteam, or good old fashioned scum?

EBWOP for pronoun correction

sorry @koba i will slow down n pay more attention. thanks for your patience

[Datisi]

prodding dkkoba.

[Andresvmb]

If Koba is Scum, they definitely vote for the 1 Town amongst the guns. What’s the one weird scenario where this is not happening - If Koba is Scum and Insidious is Traitor or something right, and Insidious knows Koba is Scum so doesn’t want to vote there, but nobody can backtrack now because the vote has been out for too long?

either:

1) this fringe scenario is the reality of the situation = scum!koba and scum!lemons, or
2) scum!koba is voting town!lemons, or
3) koba is the one town in the gun pool

genuinely, based on your rereading -- which of these scenarios do you think is most likely?

I think that the fact that you openly muse about how Koba might not get hammered means that you’re more likely to just be Scum, but we’ll see. I read as much of the game as I could before putting my vote down and it’s my best guess as to what I think is happening. I think you’ll have a hard time arguing I’m Scum.

[InsidiousLemons]

i know they're scum though. they aren't going to get quickhammered because no one wins immediately if they die. it's not a musing it's a statement of fact

good luck to you and your vote. i'll skim through your iso and see what i can see i guess. though yes, your thought process has felt pretty convincingly town to me so far so you're not high on my VT-scum likelihood list

[Anya]

VOTE: lemons

i was bribed

[osuka]

VOTE: insidiouslemons

[osuka]

sorry andres

[osuka]

gg

[Datisi]

vote count 4.final

with 7 votes in play, it took 4 to make a decision. day 4 ended.

execution

InsidiousLemons [4]:

DkKoba, Andresvmb, Anya, osuka

[HAMMER]

DkKoba [2]:

clidd, InsidiousLemons

not voting [1]:

VFP

mod notes

~ it's all over, i'm standin' pretty ♫
~ in this dust that was our city ♪

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[Datisi]

InsidiousLemons has been executed day 4. they were a

town night 2 rolecop

.

endgame incoming.

[Datisi]

clidd (

town one-shot detective

), Andresvmb (

vanilla townie

), and VFP (

vanilla townie

) are killed in the endgame.

Anya (

mafia informed doctor

), osuka (

mafia doctor

), and DkKoba (

mafia doctor

) survive and win.

congratulations to the mafia for winning Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD!

[Datisi]

links!!

main thread ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86324
mod pt ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86325
scum pt ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86326
dead pt ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86327
clidd pt ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86441

setup

town:
1x town non-consecutive night neapolitan
1x town night 2 rolecop
1x town 1-shot detective
1x town informed gunsmith (there are 4 players in the game that show up as having a gun)
6x vt

scum:
1x mafia informed doctor (there is an informed town member aware that 4 players in the game show up as having a gun)
2x mafia doctor

public information: a mafia doctor (with or without modifiers) is confirmed to exist in the game

events!!

day 1:
-

save the dragons

is yeeted, flips

vanilla townie

night 1:
-

anya

is killing

robert m hunter

, flips

vanilla townie

-

osuka

is doctoring

dkkoba

-

dkkoba

is doctoring

vfp

-

asteria

is non-consecutively neapolitaning

vfp

, returns vt
-

salsabil faria

is one-shot detectiving

pookythemagicalbear

, returns a negative
-

andante

is gunsmithing

pookythemagicalbear

, returns no gun

day 2:
~

t3

is yeeted, flips

vanilla townie

night 2:
~

dkkoba

is killing

andante

, flips

town informed gunsmith

~

anya

is doctoring

dkkoba

~

osuka

is doctoring

anya

~

insidiouslemons

is night-2ly rolecopping

pookythemagicalbear

, returns vanilla
~

andante

is gunsmithing

osuka

, returns no gun, but also rip gunsmith

day 3:
~

asteria

is yeeted, flips

town non-consecutive night neapolitan

night 3:
~

dkkoba

is killing

pookythemagicalbear

, flips

vanilla townie

~

anya

is doctoring

osuka

~

osuka

is doctoring

anya

day 4:
~

insidiouslemons

is yeeted, flips

town night 2 rolecop

~ game over.

[Datisi]

okay so. first of all, thank you everyone for playing, thank you to those willing to help out and replace in, and thank you to my backup mod for helping out.

mod and dead pts are public, all other pt owners have ~48 hours to ask for redactions.

i'm assuming there will be words about the setup. i did not expect it would play out like this / be confusing to the degree it maybe was. criticism is still appreciated and encouraged.

the thread is now unlocked for post-game discussion.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i fucked up my bad

[InsidiousLemons]

i think the biggest thing is that the gunsmith COULD be a role that helps town win by confirming PR claims, but there's no way for town to find out that only town is armed until it's too late.

also a lil silly that mafia were also informed of the number of guns in the game lol

i'm not that mad but i do wonder how town wins this setup

though again i haven't been on the site in several years so setup/balance isn't my forte. i am very interested to see the setup dkscussion. thanks for an exciting first game back datisi and fellow players!

[osuka]

im reading the mod thread and im crying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

osuka koba and anya were from my pov the most scummy three players in the game and i should have just ignored the mech and yeeted them all on dayplay alone but instead I made decisions based on mech and lost badly.

I should have no expectations for game balance

[osuka]

i was planning on making a post here that would be a collection of some osuka posts, and i'd call it "osuka being iconic in rotitgbsmod", but i just realized i would have to quote his entire iso

[osuka]

osuka koba and anya were from my pov the most scummy three players in the game and i should have just ignored the mech and yeeted them all on dayplay alone but instead I made decisions based on mech and lost badly.

I should have no expectations for game balance

The NRG has a history of trolling the shit out of their players so there is definitely a possibility of a game being run with no town vig and a pre-announced mafia doctor

[Andante]

3 MAFIA DOCTORS... WHAAAAAT