Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[Kismet]

ydra coming in and kinda soft townreading prism is interesting, as i don't think there are that many other places for today to go if not that slot

[Kismet]

UNVOTE: let's just do this for now. stuff happened and i'm not sure it was worth anything when all is said and done.

[Infinity 324]

Why does scum!salsa keep flipflopping on her nacho read during her catch-up?

[Kismet]

i think cakez and nm are the two scummiest slots in the game rn

i like vft/nacho/kismet to varying degrees

i have also kind of disliked infinity's push on us - there was this one part where she repeated some of the stuff i mentioned being the reasoning for me being low motivation that just felt odd

~leaf

Infinity feels really town to me.
Unless they are very good at faking being confused and struggling to articulate reads :V

~Glaceon

i think infinity is town

i think nm actively avoiding creating content and catching zero heat for it makes him very likely scum

~leaf

trying to figure out what in here constitutes being afraid of Infinity

even that first townread is fairly hedged

[Kismet]

Why does scum!salsa keep flipflopping on her nacho read during her catch-up?

i don't feel this is AI? why wouldn't scum want to show progression on slots based on content from a catch up?

[Kismet]

it would be one thing if you said "why does salsa flip flop on nacho apropos of nothing"
because that might imply the impetus was "independent reeval" which i agree might be a towntell
but here she's just digesting more and more content over a short period of time, so she's just going to react based on what she reads - that is your impetus, and to me that seems null.

[Infinity 324]

I'm liking

Nachomamma8

's 345; 347 seems okay too; 348 is also good, though the tunnel thing on

Not_Mafia

tells me take a step back but his reply for 284 makes me thinking differently. I've to read more from him to understand him properly; 349 also ok ig; I'm feeling naked after reading the 350 :facepalm: :facepalm: (I need to change my town/scum gameplay but really don't know how :cry: )

I'm changing my mind about you. I don't like when people start to use AtE. I'm leaning scum on you.

UNVOTE: Disaster Cartel

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Nachomamma8

's 953 I'm keeping under consideration. By doing this, I just realize that my heart still wants to give a pass to him on Day 1. So, I'm unvoting again (sue me if you want but this game is hard! :( )[/color]

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8

Would a scum team of mena nacho mom lg notmaf want to let nacho die or the habitual lurk scum. If you are townreading this wagon of four you have to understand scum want no part in killing nacho which should tell you anyone trying to derail it is immediately sus.

Actually, I don't see

Nachomamma8

as a scum yet, because of this:

he starts off the game with a move that draws negative attention to himself like trying to policy n_m as scum because he knows he'll get blowback,

I mean, why scum!

Nachomamma8

will do that in Day 1?

i mean of course you're gonna say that since he's defending you >:(

Yes. Yes I am. It is refreshing to have someone defending me for once because I am obviously town here and anyone who has glanced at my recent scum meta would know it.

I am looking for players who are flippable other than me. Because I am town and they are possibly not town. Because me in town for another day is much more advantageous to town then Bulge in town for another day regardless of his alignment at this point.

I maybe would not be playing so heavily for survival at this point if I haven't been public enemy #1 for the entirety of this game (and I don't think I've fucked up significantly!!! I've been weird but I'm a weird person but I don't think I've fucked up this game to deserve this level of heat!!!).

And yeah maybe he is scum who is defending me because I'd expect him to townread me here but that's okay. Because Petapan makes me happy. And if he makes me happy then I don't want to die trying to kill him even though yes. Figured people would dislike me moving my vote.

This is gross!

Ehh I feel like the way she did was the thing that felt most genuine to me, I feel like a lot of effort went into making this look genuine if she's scum and I don't know why she goes through that

[Kismet]

prism still seems wrong to me =/

telling vft/cakez to "please vote me" and then reacting as he did when i do, and i just feel manipulated

[Kismet]

I don't know why she goes through that

...to get townread by people?

[Infinity 324]

it would be one thing if you said "why does salsa flip flop on nacho apropos of nothing"
because that might imply the impetus was "independent reeval" which i agree might be a towntell
but here she's just digesting more and more content over a short period of time, so she's just going to react based on what she reads - that is your impetus, and to me that seems null.

Yeah, but there's also an element of "this might look scummy" that might discourage her from flip flopping. It's hard to evaluate in an unbiased way "hmm I probably would be flip flopping as town here" and it's easier to just be consistent imo

[Infinity 324]

I don't know why she goes through that

...to get townread by people?

She didn't seem to have a ton of motivation for the game, and there's many other ways to get townread that she'd probably think of first than "I'm gonna flip flop on a random read for no reason"

[Infinity 324]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=85994 some salsa scum meta (do not read on sepia)

possibly not the only reason i linked that game just now you tell me

don't feel like i'd be able to meta her w/ any kind of confidence; and she played pretty well in this game only kinda just getting inched out of a win at the very end

i'm a little worried about the giant pass nacho is willing to give and i liked noddy's reaction to nacho's pushing it his way

I did read her entrance and compared it to her before I started advocating her shining light towniness. I think she's night and day here compared to there; she's inquisitive, she's a bit scattered without having an agenda attached, she's hilariously pure. I expected that notsci would be able to pick up on the same things that I am but apparently he's decided to enroll in the Cabd School of Reading Nacho (tm) and as a result is completely failing in reading me instead.

One of the big weaknesses that new scum players tend to have (and Salsa certainly had in the game you linked) is a difficulty in hiding their agenda. You'll notice a lot of her questions in that game were shallow (aka acting people to elaborate on reasons they didn't explain), she was careful was she expressed suspicion or explained her votes. She was also a heck of a lot more defensive in that game versus here (when she thought I suspected her, she called me paranoid and brushed it off vs there where she seemed to get indignant that someone was "shading her"). Here she's just carefree, more inquisitive, more likely to do things that don't have a clear scum agenda. Instead of just asking people to elaborate on random suspicions, seems like she's genuinely trying to understand the stuff going around her.

And while of course I'll be reanalyzing this read constantly, I'd be very very surprised to see this slot flip scum at this point.

[Kismet]

Yeah, but there's also an element of "this might look scummy" that might discourage her from flip flopping. It's hard to evaluate in an unbiased way "hmm I probably would be flip flopping as town here" and it's easier to just be consistent imo

hard to say here, depends on the value she personally puts on [consistency vs emoting genuinely]. It's still not doing much for me either way.

[Kismet]

I'm aware nacho thought things about people in this game, yes.

[Infinity 324]

I'm just giving you what I have atp and the goal is more to help people TR me and carry me than anything else

[Kismet]

ok. probably not much more i can do w/ that right now.

[Kismet]

there's one other option here that i hate to even consider and it's that my noddy read is wrong, because the switch off nm early D2 needs to be explained somehow

this is the shit that happens when you're down 2-0 i hope everyone's happy

[Kismet]

Not_Mafia (4): Infinity 324, Iverson, Disaster Cartel, SirCakez

Not_Mafia (4): Infinity 324, Disaster Cartel, SirCakez, Iverson
SirCakez (1): notscience

The Bulge (3): Venus Fly Trap, notscience, Infinity 324
Not_Mafia (3): Disaster Cartel, SirCakez, Iverson

The Bulge (3): Venus Fly Trap, notscience, Iverson
Not_Mafia (2): Disaster Cartel, SirCakez

[Kismet]

would be fucking ballsy for noddy to have made that arrangement w/ mena to go after NM w/ that first wagon as it was and then to go after cakez. Like it has scum motivation to do if cakez is town (maybe even if he's scum) but man I feel scum noddy just fucking hardbusses there and licks his wounds.

[Infinity 324]

I guess part of what's frustrating me about this interaction is that I don't normally expect my reasoning to be 100% clear to people and often expect to have to be asked clarifying questions to sort things out. So when I do that and then am told that I'm lying it's like wtf do you want me to do? I also tend to be quite careful expressing opinions as scum, as I think most people are, so I don't really have a reason to lie about what I said because I already thought it through. If I'm trying to be unbiased, I think you have a decent chance of being town, especially if NM flips scum, but if you are town you're sorting me in totally the wrong way.

Idk why scum sends bulge to solo push me, if there are more townread members of the scumteam then that would give the push a lot more legitimacy. Even just a quantity of people pushing on me would help to give it more legitimacy. Scum play is messier that I'm describing here but I think if scum!bulge wanted to push me he would probably not go all out?

I still feel like scum wants to push through the bulge wagon after I post this and don't unvote, and prism is right that NM could've just hammered after ydrasse's vote, that's why I became more confident on the DC read this day phase

[Kismet]

i mean the person that most implicates is _me_ imo

[Infinity 324]

I'm sorry that's all I have for today, I need to be asked specific questions to engage more here

I think this game is lost

[Infinity 324]

i mean the person that most implicates is _me_ imo

Lmao I forgot you voted there

Sigh

[Kismet]

i mean, it's not _why_ i voted there, but if you have reason to think anyone did, that'd probably be the vote you'd look at. If ydrasse is scum it's much more likely that my vote just made it possible to achieve and therefore voted then.

[Kismet]

which, i mean, isn't a bad point either. but it's just the perfect amount of hydra dissonance to be believeable i guess. mena doing the same gets looked at much less favorably.