Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[Infinity 324]

i'm not 100% sure what the solve is but i'm having a hard time seeing mena as scum here, yeah
i was also thinking it's scummy that you were ignoring me on mena but this is throwing me for a loop a bit tbh

Honestly I forgot you had such a strong TR on mena, I can't weight everyone's townreads too heavily though since I feel like I have good reasons to TR bork, you, cakez, notsci, and prism though. Maybe I'm supposed to do my own meta check on notsci or something but I really don't have the energy for that.

[Iverson]

Given that one scum is probably Momrangal I'm not optimistic that scum will get it done in a timely manner even if they get the opportunity. For practical reasons I'm willing to just assume they had time at the 12 hour mark.

[Infinity 324]

I'm just gonna assume cakez or DC are scum, me and cakez voted DC for about 12 hours right?

[Iverson]

They're a scumread of mine. I was already wanting to go there since people weren't finding Cakez palatable. If they wind up being town, then okay.

i mean i'm not really ok with it but ok

I will introspect after seeing the result but fundamentally I am fine shooting my shot and I understand that that means frequently missing.

[Iverson]

Is there some silver bullet I am missing for why DC is town? In about ~12 minutes I am taking off for the day which means my vote will stay.

[Iverson]

I will pass on a funny excerpt of my notes which was
"196 what the fuck skitter "why would he get annoyed as scum""

[SirCakez]

i will be so, so, *so* annoyed if we lose here because you lot decided to vote out someone i'm strongly townreading

i just feel the need to say that

and i'm not so sure i scumread prism anymore >.>

~ skitter

who is this in reference to?

It does kinda feel like scum are waiting to quickhammer here, not really sure what that means about the gamestate.

not feeling this at all?

[SirCakez]

if DC gets qhed here then whatever this game was already lost at that point

[Infinity 324]

not feeling this at all?

Idk the game just feels weirdly low activity

[SirCakez]

Prism I am not dealing with you in a way that is throwing you away in my scum pile and positioning every future interaction w/ you as a way to get your partners. I feel like that should be obvious from my demeanor, but if I need to unvote to get you to get past that, then I am willing to. If you're town you're a huge asset to me.

The issue here is that while I am willing to play on as town, I am not willing to be led on for days at a time. When you make a second vote in this day, you are prepared for it to be blitzed. I'm okay with that.

I'm not as enthused about the idea of spending 40 hours on the game this week just in the hopes that you don't vote me. I'm not going to do it. You get an hour a day. I encouraged you to think of things that could plausibly get you to unvote, because again I took this as a willingness to call it rather than spinelessly begging me to burn a week of my life and emotional energy hoping that you grant mercy. I'm glad you unvoted but I wanted to be very clear about what exactly you should be expecting from me at this point in the game.

ie. If you are 90%+ sure you're going to vote me, stop wasting all of our time and do it. I can give what I owe the other players, and I can put the game down if we want, but I'm not burning myself up like a candle so you can navelgaze.

As for you and VFT, I could spend days writing about how my thinking changed between these two points in time. I've already written that the way I was playing around VFT was obviously gamelosing and I needed to change. Even disregarding those, your position is wildly different as someone who is almost certainly town to me whereas I was actively scumreading VFT at the time, although later I was hoping to cement the gladiate (before again deciding to swap playstyle)

On another level, I am just uncomfortable with this game in its entirety, even without the time/energy concern.

I am firm in presenting my opinions but the only things personal about yesterday were in going through the motions of social niceties to at least lose graciously.

Instead we can't even get that much, it turned into some interpersonal drama of a nonexistent attack where you somehow thought a short speech about how valuable I was and how you weren't throwing me away in the scum pile (and therefore I should try hard for your sake). The first part makes me extremely uncomfortable, I am just another player, I am tired of paying social niceties simply because the absence is read as something more vicious, and the second is a very visceral "fuck no" regardless of who the player is.

Fundamentally none of this was AI, none of this was personal, and I hate that I just spent 30 minutes disentangling it when I'd rather just leave it because it doesn't matter.

If I play onsite again it will not be under the name Prism.

i'm honestly feeling this is outside of scum range :/

[SirCakez]

which leads me to something like three of (DC, Mom, notsci, inf)

[Venus Fly Trap]

Is there some silver bullet I am missing for why DC is town? In about ~12 minutes I am taking off for the day which means my vote will stay.

sorry i had to go take care of soemthing >.>

i don't think he approaches nm the way he does as scum; i don't think he comes into this game deciding to bus him. he was very, very, very resolutely for that push and refused multiple entreaties to divert the wagon off of nm.

i also think that he isn't playing around me the way he would as scum - i.e. he isn't making all of his play *abt me*; he is very, very, very willing to be contrary to me and do whatever he likes no matter what i might think abt it. i think scum-him basically tries to pocket me and tries to get on my good side and that usually manifests by making his reads match mine and trying to push my agenda. that isn't happenign here. he actually doesn't particularly care what i'm doing and isn't trying to match his play to mine. i think this is very +town for him

[Venus Fly Trap]

Given that one scum is probably Momrangal I'm not optimistic that scum will get it done in a timely manner even if they get the opportunity. For practical reasons I'm willing to just assume they had time at the 12 hour mark.

i mean i'm still down to vote her
she might even be my preferred vote honestly

[SirCakez]

man I just don't have any hope we can hit scum three times in a row here

[Venus Fly Trap]

i kinda don't want to end this as 'well we probably aren't going to win so meh'

[Venus Fly Trap]

kismet where are u holding on mom here?

[Venus Fly Trap]

i think just abt everyone has her in their pool but she's nobody's preferred vote, which i find pretty interesting

[Kismet]

Instead we can't even get that much, it turned into some interpersonal drama of a nonexistent attack where you somehow thought a short speech about how valuable I was and how you weren't throwing me away in the scum pile (and therefore I should try hard for your sake). The first part makes me extremely uncomfortable, I am just another player, I am tired of paying social niceties simply because the absence is read as something more vicious, and the second is a very visceral "fuck no" regardless of who the player is.

Message received.

Most things i'm doing here are designed to elicit an alignment indicative response. Sometimes I miss the mark on tone reading and sometimes I get aggressive due to a goal of seeing how people react to pressure or because I feel ardent about a particular point.

Ultimately, you get to play the game however you wish. You don't owe me a damn thing.

[Kismet]

kismet where are u holding on mom here?

i could maybe go mom at this point

[Venus Fly Trap]

mostly cuz of poe or did the read change?

[Kismet]

i just find it hard to believe that DC/Iverson would both be town

p-edit: meh, i don't even know. my reads are in such flux that i don't think i can give a satisfactory answer to that

[Infinity 324]

Now I'm paranoid of a VFT/DC team

sigh

[Kismet]

skitter do you think iverson is town due to interactions w/ me or something else?

[Venus Fly Trap]

i feel like i'm townreading too many people which is obviously a problem at this stage >.>

pedit well not specifically the interactions with you but more the rambling introspection about playstyle and his motivations for how he's playing and why and how he's trying to reach out to people and how he feels about how different players respond to him and are reading him

[Kismet]

3011 and on threw me for a loop, but maybe i can see it (and everything after) starting as a response to 3000.

i have a hard time seeing both prism and dc as town considering how bulge went down. what's your dream team here?