Open 811 - Lovers and Losers [Day 1]

[RationalMadman]

Sorry I said Vex:s entry I meant Llama's entey, brain fart.

[RationalMadman]

I can't even explain the brainf art but I confused the lion avatar with Vex for no explainable reason, I meant I default Llama's entry to Town as well as Bingle's.

[RationalMadman]

I actually nullread Vex anyway, however I scumread T-bone.

[RationalMadman]

Vex Vience, can you and bambi talk im the PT during the day?

(This doesn't confirm me as vanilla townie), I am curious how rapidly you answer and what the answer is.

I ask as you're online rn.

[Vex Vience]

no, only mafia are allowed to talk in their pt during the day

[Vex Vience]

it literally says that in the role pm

[Vex Vience]

town lover

Hi, {Player}. You are a Town Lover with {Another Player}.

If anyone of you die, the other dies as well.

The two of you may talk privately prior to day 1 {here}

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

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[RationalMadman]

Sure it implies that but you knowing that amd answering so rapidly makes me Townread you now. I am also a lover and my partner I will keep secret for now unless you want me to out him/her/them.

It says that yes, it doesn't say you can't talk further than that.

[RationalMadman]

I had to ask the mod to find out as bothy partner and I were confused but what you say is indeed the truth.

[Vex Vience]

answering rapidly doesn't mean i'm town. it just means i have the site open in another tab and i'm checking it while i do other things

[Vex Vience]

also it's up to you at this point. if we have another lover claim occur, obviously i want you to claim it so we know which six we're looking at, otherwise i'm fine with having it just be the three of us for now

[LlamaFluff]

@RM - What exactly changed between not wanting to claim and when you did? Just trap setting or something else?

[RationalMadman]

Rapidly, correctly and even got angry that I'd tedt yoy woth something yoy found trivial for scum to solve. It is all towny

[RationalMadman]

@RM - What exactly changed between not wanting to claim and when you did? Just trap setting or something else?

I have a vote against me and another lover pair is going to ge fenraged at me over it soon and I happen to now read one of them as Town so it doesn't serve me to withhold the claim as I mechanically questioned Vex and he passed the test but as a VT I couldn't necessarily do so at that point without leaking I am a lover.

My partner and I decided it's better not to out each other or roles but my oartner did warn me that if people demand it I should just give in.

[Vex Vience]

few things:
1a) i'm currently playing binding of issac, and i have not only ms open, but the binding of issac wiki so i can reference what items do.
1b) i'm checking the site each time i check what an item does because i know the thread is currently active, so i wanna see what's going on
1c) i'm checking the site each time i complete a floor because i know the thread is currently active
2) i didn't get angry. i don't know where you're getting that from.
3) obviously i'd answer correctly even if i was scum, because if i didn't i'd instantly out the fact i'm scum.

none of this implicates me as town as well. this is all just nai.

[LlamaFluff]

Im just trying to feel this all out because maybe im more drunk than I think... so claiming is a null tell now? Im just trying to read where everyone is in pro/anti claim and how (if at all) they see it alignment wise.

I think I saw a few things you did which is why I really want a massclaim (pretty much I would have regardless) as I think there is something we can really capitalize on.

I actually kind of like VV being upset that you are reading him as town for reasons that any competent scum should have been able to overcome.

[RationalMadman]

2) i didn't get angry. i don't know where you're getting that from.
3) obviously i'd answer correctly even if i was scum, because if i didn't i'd instantly out the fact i'm scum.

none of this implicates me as town as well. this is all just nai.

Not sure how to reply that you seemed angry and aggressive without indirectly insulting your self-awareness but let's say I'm wrong.

In my wrong interpretation of your response to me, you were aggressive, upset that I'd ask what you find so easy and now furthermore hostile towards me because I townread you for said reaction.

It is indeed alignment indicative, your aggression is what Town has in this setup more than Scum. Town is panicking and alert because it os the equivalent of complete darkness in an environment where only scum has night vosion goggles and unloke other setups, not a single bit of that vision will in any shape or form become passively clearer as things progress via investigation results. This meams Town feels much more pressure to do something and hunt while Scum wants the game as laid-back as possible.

[RationalMadman]

Im just trying to feel this all out because maybe im more drunk than I think... so claiming is a null tell now? Im just trying to read where everyone is in pro/anti claim and how (if at all) they see it alignment wise.

Claiming is always a nulltell but my actual role is going to help scum, who will prefer to pile on lone VTs to easier know to avoid picking on me. If they know my partner, it will help them pile on us both at once rather than accidentally townreading my partner so it's harder to justify later (or vice versa).

[Anastasia]

I like VV's entrance much better than RM's.

I feel there's a purpose and cadence to his though process that I find quite attractive, the intensity is so full of self-belief.

His beliefs about the setup aren't entirely accurate, but there's a force of presence behind it that makes me believe that he believes it.

VOTE: RM

I want my IC card and am happy to bet that RM will flip scum here.

[RationalMadman]

Sure, thry votr you after I flip, deal Ana?

[RationalMadman]

Ana doesn't claim just votes me, so I'm assuming she is claiming lover if it's Vex vs myself in her eyes.

[RationalMadman]

Voting me so impulsively on anoure gut read isntt what Town would do here. She's risking two Lovers die if she's Town solely based on a fluttering read.

[RationalMadman]

Doesn't make any sense at all. I am being scumread because Vex seems to know the setup, makes absolutely not logical sense at all, I am assuming Ana is softclaiming Lover because of her vote being based on Townreading Vex

[Anastasia]

I don't think there's anything soft about my claim?

[Vex Vience]

ana who are you lovers with?
rm who are you lovers with?