Open 811 - Lovers and Losers [Day 1]

[Bambi Jay]

I don't understand what is happening here. I am being scumread based on overconfidence of Vex and my oartner is being told he is respected so I will be given mercy? Stupid reasoning. Bambi's post is fluff to reassure me instead of attacking or defending

I am literally not voting you only because I wanna talk to Bingle. Don't try and attack me for showing mercy.

Also Ana if you wanna convince me it's those 2 instead of you be my guest.

[RationalMadman]

Also it is only scum who'd want to rush the day, why would Town want to rush the vote here? This setup is 100% tells-based no investigations to rush towards

[RationalMadman]

However I don't like Bambi's entry at all, it seems designed to make me feel soothed and remain hostile to the Anastasia lover pair instead

[Anastasia]

RM's reaction says it all.

He is scum who is bemoaning how unfair the situation is, to be caught through no real fault of his own before the game has even begun.

He's lashing out in multiple directions instead of trying to figure out which of us is the scum attacking him.

It's just desperate flailing, I think you can see it fairly clearly no?

[Anastasia]

The reaction we are reading is from the VT side.

Putting pressure on your partner to either bus, defend, or keep distance.

Eliminating you will not end the game, hopefully it will give us the information to solve in the VT Pool.

[Anastasia]

I find that instant aggression and heavy pushing yields better reaction reads than taking it slowly.

[Bambi Jay]

Because unlike the VTs, who the mod gives me no info on besides there being 1 scum in them, I am positive 1 of 2 pairs is scum since I'm town and know that. So my plan is to kill the most scummy one first and hope we got 4 people alive to debate with the VTs instead of 2. But if we get the first one wrong I'm sticking with getting the other lover pair instead of taking a 1/3 shot among the VTs.

My plan is to kill between you two sets so I'm being friendly while being frank in my speaking on the subject. RN if it was just based on you vs Ana Ration I'd vote you but I wanna play with Bingle and I don't wanna be wrong so I'm waiting.

Edit: yeah yeah Ana that's a good plan. Honestly normally play that way but I haven't played in months so I wanna be slow and talk to people.

[RationalMadman]

Ok vote me out idgaf, enjoy the loss if you're town and never ever vote someone on this bullshit reasoning again. If you're scum well dome you won by BS reasoning, that is if you aren't voted out next. Do it, vote me, I won't gamethrow amd vote myself.

[LlamaFluff]

No really. Lover pairs absolutely need to claim everything they talked about pregame for something I see. Like now. As in back when I asked first time.

[Vex Vience]

Every lover pair needs to summarize their pre-game topic immediately in as much detail as possible that still avoids modkill. To the extent where if you dont you die because of something that im really hoping scum is just realizing.

i'm asking the mod if my tl;dr follows the rules. i feel like it does, but i wanna be safe

[RationalMadman]

Vote me. I don't want to be in this shit situation later on where clearly everyone is biased and too incapable to read to townread me and bingle based on bias, better to eliminate me with the free miselimination

[Vex Vience]

ye, i was typing it up and then i sent it to the mod to quickly ask them if it follows the rules

[RationalMadman]

This isn't WIFOM eliminate me right now and then eliminate Anastasia's pair, she deserves to lose wothe if Town pushing for no fucking reason

[RationalMadman]

No really. Lover pairs absolutely need to claim everything they talked about pregame for something I see. Like now. As in back when I asked first time.

I ranted to Bingle over several posts about being active not being weak or a pushover as this is dog eat dog setup solely based on aggression getting results.

He agreed and promised to try his best and agreed to my no-reveal strategy but warned he feared if I pushed too hard with it it would doom us so I remained stubborn andnhe promised jot to out us until forced to

[RationalMadman]

Bingle also let me know he's Jingle and has once played with me before

[LlamaFluff]

You all are making me hate this game by the end of the fourth page...

@Tbone - You scum or can we do list mod powers unite and figure this one out?

[Bambi Jay]

Okay Vex, first of all it was a simple question. You don't need mod approval to talk about what was in the PT or the Masons would be modkilled infinitely. Just be general and don't quote anything.

Also Ration, what did Bingle talk about in the PT? Did he give you any plans to follow? Was it his idea to not claim?

[Vex Vience]

Her voting me also blackmailed me to out my partner which I explicitly said I wanted to stall to release reads

If it makes you feel better Rational they made me do that in the last harder setup when I thought it was a better idea to hide everything. My partner wanted to go hard tho so I just said fuck it they do them.

Anyway, since I respect Bingle as a player I'll wait for him before trying to vote you out and quick elim you both. My plan still revolves killing the other 2 lover pairs first. So I'll let Bingle try to convince me it's Anastasia and Kerset first.

But that leaves the 3 VT players as the people I was more afraid to read solo without a pair. Lovely.

I townread VV's belief that he's pushing to solve/win the game for the townside.

There is nothing to solve this is an open setup...

The only thing to solve was who are the pairs and singles and alignment hut you've ruined the first part

i'm thinking atm that ana/kerset is the other town pair, and rm/bingle are the scum pair.

i do like bingle's entrance so far, but not rm's play.
i think that ana's play thus far is just straight-up town, but i wanna have kerset in the thread and talk to them a bit before i dedicate to this

pedit: bingle is literally an outed alt of jingle, and has been for a very long time

[Vex Vience]

ignore the rest of the quotes, i was gonna quote them and reply to them, but then i decided not to for now

[Vex Vience]

Okay Vex, first of all it was a simple question. You don't need mod approval to talk about what was in the PT or the Masons would be modkilled infinitely. Just be general and don't quote anything.

Also Ration, what did Bingle talk about in the PT? Did he give you any plans to follow? Was it his idea to not claim?

fair

[RationalMadman]

Okay Vex, first of all it was a simple question. You don't need mod approval to talk about what was in the PT or the Masons would be modkilled infinitely. Just be general and don't quote anything.

Also Ration, what did Bingle talk about in the PT? Did he give you any plans to follow? Was it his idea to not claim?

No it was my idea entirely and he agreed with it but warned to not steamroll it of others pressured it to be massclaim

[RationalMadman]

Or she or they I am mot sure of Bingle pronoun

[Vex Vience]

Every lover pair needs to summarize their pre-game topic immediately in as much detail as possible that still avoids modkill. To the extent where if you dont you die because of something that im really hoping scum is just realizing.

tl;dr - i ask mod to confirm if the pt will be locked at the start of d1, since it states we can talk there prior to d1 starting.
i ask bambi how we wanna approach the game since we're basically masons.
bambi says she'll be gunning for the two lover pairs, saying that town lost last game because they focused on vts, not lovers which are easier to read
i say i want all three lover pairs to claim because if there's only two, both pairs have to be town
i bring up setup and there being two scum lovers and one goon
i bring up finding scum!lovers d1 means we have four ics in play now
i mention i think trying to solve lovers is better and that we should use the single miselim we have for both sets to our advantage
bambi states the game is in two sets, with either scum!lovers or scum!goon as the last scum standing
i quote the setup
bambi says that if we elim one vt and one lover pair, we autolose due to 3v3, so we have to solve one set first
i state i'm going to push for all four lovers to claim d1
i ask how well bambi knows the playerlist
i mention i feel like i can read kerest, klick, and bingle well enough

[RationalMadman]

I don't understand what is happening here. I am being scumread based on overconfidence of Vex and my oartner is being told he is respected so I will be given mercy? Stupid reasoning. Bambi's post is fluff to reassure me instead of attacking or defending

I am literally not voting you only because I wanna talk to Bingle. Don't try and attack me for showing mercy.

Also Ana if you wanna convince me it's those 2 instead of you be my guest.

Don't ever show mercy to scum in this game. If you think I am scum vote without any mercy, if you dobt hesitate for solely selfish reasons. Always play to win, never to be nice.

[RationalMadman]

If you doubt*