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[Almost50]

That looks very good for A50.

Oh, no. Say it still looks bad.. please.

[Marky Mark]

I'm really hoping that Etine redeemed themselves by realising they were a prime NK target and taking Dunn down with them, but I suspect Andres is right

[Andresvmb]

I think the Vig shot at Dunn who was being “protected” by Etine, which is why they died too. That would be my explanation. And then the Scum shot Kerset. If I had to guess.

You totally don't know how Babysitter works, do you? Babysitter is a DOCTOR, so it Dunn was shot at while Etine was on him he would NOT have died.

It's the other way around (if your theory is true). Someone shot Etine and he was on Dunnstral, so the babysitter dies and so does his target.

I think the Scum were probably more likely to shoot at Etine (claimed PR) than Kerset (who was on Town last night and unclaimed). That was fundamentally my thinking.

Kerset didn’t shoot Etine right, because then you can’t explain Dunn’s death without an additional shot. Unless the Mafia are crazy and shot their traitor by mistake.

[Almost50]

I think the Vig shot at Dunn who was being “protected” by Etine, which is why they died too. That would be my explanation. And then the Scum shot Kerset. If I had to guess.

This makes sense. But we need to find out if the vig's shot was successful on Night 1 or not (if the shot was available).

Does it??

What I was trying to describe is whatever situation triggered the death of Etine and Kerset at the same time, with the Scum shooting amongst the two (I forgot the impact of the role). Dunn is clearly a Vig Shot.

Etine was on EITHER Dunn or Kerset. If he was on Dunn then it could be that Kerset shot Etine and was shot by Scum. If Etine was on Kerset then Scum shot Etine and Kerset shot Dunn.

Note: I don't remember if Kerset TR'd Etine or not.

[Andresvmb]

If Etine was on Kerset then Scum shot Etine and Kerset shot Dunn.

Yeah this is what I think. And Etine was widely TR and if on the wrong player would bring down two Town.

[samantha97]

I mean that a very arbitrary assumption to make ref bare entries in the list

you just have to put yourself in their shoes

the goal of making a list like that is to look town/justify pushes while not outing your team at the same time

it's not like it's impossible for nero to be mafia but it's enough for me to bet against for now

[Marky Mark]

@Sam I mean this is a completely subjective argument but I still don't see how any of that stops them putting a teammate as a single entry in a list

[samantha97]

it's not like it's impossible for nero to be mafia but it's enough for me to bet against for now

[Marky Mark]

ok then, come join me on Vasex. As explained above, they went out of their way to defend T3, while tunneling Kitty, who now seems very town due to flips etc

[samantha97]

sry I don't speak blasphemer

[Marky Mark]

Coward.

[Marky Mark]

Sorry that's unfair, you seem like a nice person, but I do think we are collectively letting him get away with openwolfing and it's v frustrating

[samantha97]

rathe is our divine divining rod

[Almost50]

Like given the pressure on Dunn yesterday, the counter wagon was definitely heavy on Scum. There’s no real reason to execute outside of it just yet I guess is my thinking.

Save The Dragons [10] - Kerset, bloodhail, Anastasia,

Dunnstral

, NDMath, Nero Cain,

Etine

, KittyTacky, Vasex, Enchant

[ELIMINATION]

The players in bold are obviously suspicious, however, 5 remain alive. I'd prioritize NDmath, Nero and maybe even Enchant in that lot.

My own preference (of those on the wagon) are Vasex & Enchant. This is because they are "likely late bussers" on the T3 wagon as well.

[Almost50]

And -of course- I haven't forgot Win XP

[WindowsXP]

Imagine trying to say I'm a good wagon when I was against the STD wagon.

[WindowsXP]

yes, my scum strategy involves letting all the people who scumread me stay alive.

[WindowsXP]

learn some fucking NKA you asses.

it literally is like basic logic and theres 100% scum on this wagon that's formed on me.

[WindowsXP]

k self defense done, we are getting nero today thx. VOTE: nero

[WindowsXP]

if this flips scum and yall try to STILL say im scum im gonna just self vote and let yall play i am not playing with a table who thinks they know better than basic logic.

[WindowsXP]

Ok now why windows is town:
Look at your previous game and check which one is typical scum behavior

A

Scum first accuse their partners and then back off once wagon on them gets serious.

B

Scum first defend their partners and then hop in once wagon on them gets serious.

Observe your previous games and you will see that B is the common case.

Also look at windows arguments, I didn't agree with them but they were reasonable. You can even see that the previous site thing was real.

I’m not the only one doing it. And Kerset has a solid point here.

Kerset also defended XP though. I don’t know man.

no andres, my scum strategy is to nightkill my biggest supporters

[WindowsXP]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

What are the chances...

...that scum thought WindowsXP!town was the traitor?
...that WindowsXP!scum was bringing up the topic of traitors to give the traitor an opportunity to manifest itself?

If scum thought WindowsXP!town was the traitor, then scum must have defended WindowsXP as their possible partner.

Remember how laboriously WindowsXP defended T3?

We might need to yeet Windows for the info.

this is why you were left alive as a CLEAR.

[WindowsXP]

Votecount 2.12

Save The Dragons

[10] - Kerset, bloodhail, Anastasia, Dunnstral, NDMath, Nero Cain, Etine, KittyTacky, Vasex, Enchant

[ELIMINATION]

Dunnstral

[5] - Rathe, samantha97, Save The Dragons, Almost50, Andresvmb

Nero Cain

[3] - WindowsXP, Marky Mark, DrippingGoofball

Not voting

- Cabd

With 19 players alive, it will take 10 votes to achieve an elimination.

The deadline for Day 2 is Wednesday, May 19 at 8:55 pm EDT. You have (expired on 2021-05-19 20:55:00).

Ana, Vasex, and Anastasia are on this wagon here on STD - this is an acceptable solve for me here.


I think NDMath is town based on meta, their reads have depth to them vs scum!them having lack of depth with their reads.

[Almost50]

Any particular reason you are TRing A50 here Sam? I was findin git hard to get a read on that slot. Like I think its mildly weird to TR him here more than Andres.

Can you read? Like, you were in the game when I declared Dunn 100% Scum and pushed him over anyone else and stayed the course. Did you miss that?

[WindowsXP]

I am not interested at all in anyone who was pushing the Dunns wagon d2 at all.