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and why is iyv town?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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i don't know what this meansIn post 1426, unwnd wrote:Non-indicative behavior that seems intentionalBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I don't think that's true though
Like this post is pretty aggressive which I liked a lotIn post 1247, Save The Dragons wrote:
again, what consensus? you had one vote on you. even with unwnd's post i'd hardly call that consensus.In post 1212, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Well your vote on me is still lame and it feels like you're just following the consensus.In post 1204, Save The Dragons wrote:
you should reread my post then, i'm questioning why shiro thought the andante wagon was bad?In post 1201, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Unwd posted that paragraph about me because i was relatively inactive earlier today and then you voted me, it felt really opportunistic to me. Especially since you seemed to be questioning a vote on me from Shiro earlier on?In post 1197, Save The Dragons wrote:how is it opportunistic when you had one vote on you
i'm voting you based on a gut read.
i don't think you're taking pressure well. and instead of re-evaluating, you double down on your OMGUS vote.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Andante has been one of the bigger topics and I strongly believe that the reasons she's being scumread for are NAI. I wouldn't call her a townread. I just think the scumreads there are opportunistic and need to be challenged.In post 1062, flow trap wrote:Are you normally this challenging about people SRing your TRs Raya?
I liked this catchup
I definitely agree with the tr on dwlee. Can you explain why you tr kazyan again?In post 1090, Farkran wrote:My highest tr right now is dwlee, i like the reasoning and i believe his effort is protown
I still tr kazyan, although some of his takes don't match mine, i think there's value in his approach to the game, scum wouldn't do that
Or maybe you're allergic to yourselfIn post 1100, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:btw I woke up today with a horrible hacking cough.
an allergic reaction of sorts.
I have no doubt that nefarious cat agents have been attempting to murder me in my sleep
This is my dumb reason for a TR of the day: This is way too honest for scumIn post 1133, flow trap wrote:
I don't remember why .-.In post 1132, Chara wrote:ideally the honest answer but i appreciate that honesty too.
I actually do agree with this. This post did make me hesitate a bit on my scumread but the rest of the scumminess outweighs this in my opinion.In post 1147, Chara wrote:
it's so hard to scumread Kaz when they make posts like this.In post 817, Kazyan wrote:Idea: People can find so many reasons to scumread Andante mostly because she has so many posts. Thus, more chances to say something someone dislikes, regardless of alignment.
i also feel like i know how they think more than most of the thread and on a day 1 like this that makes me not want to vote them.
I liked how when she entered the game she got her fluff posting out of the way then immediately got into content despite the state of the game at that point. She could have easily gotten away with just not posting content. I will admit this read is dwindling a bit with recent content but I still do appreciate the entrance.In post 1151, Chara wrote:Raya: why do you townread toadette so strongly? (obligatory: for this phase of the game)
the Kaz wagon seems to boil down to the busywork list, it just feels very easy. yes, objectively the work wasn't all that important, but it didn't take all that much effort, and when i prodded Kaz on it early on i liked the answer about simply looking for some bit of info to bite into. Nero's read on Kaz is the one i like the most, in terms of being developed.
You weren't really directing the kaz part at me but I'm gonna explain my case anyway:
Busywork of the list
503 Another example of busywork. This post was entirely inconclusive. There wasn't really a point to saying it.
625 Don't like the tone of saying the scumread on them is fair. Also don't like how they took someone's scumread on them and twisted it to be a jesterread
Also look at dwlee's case
This is basically describing exactly how I feel about AndanteIn post 1173, unwnd wrote:You could say my reason to be so adamantly against Andante is that I think at worst she's limbait. That in it's essence is effecting how I am reading Andante as well
Part of me is worried this is an attempt at guilt tripping / scaring people into voting for beeboy for an easy miselimIn post 1178, unwnd wrote:Another aspect of it really is the fact I'm pretty sure Beeboy is not posting because he's scum. This is something I'm not really a fan of in general. It's exactly as Pooky said where it's reaching a trust tell and it has to be stopped. I will vote Beeboy every time under this pretense and if people don't see my own interpretations then they could at least have faith that this tell is truth. The people who are skirting around the issue at this point in a confbiased perspective are just potential mates who either A) pissed at him for flaking again B) trying to not lose a partner due to dumb shit. I don't really think all partners would assume the same thing and just tell me 'oh well maybe he's just busy' but I think Norwee and Farkran's response to it was the worst. Seriously Farkran how could you possibly townread Beeboy here for like two fucking posts lol. That immediately just tripped my alarms and Norwee is again playing to the whole latching on aspect.
And we found our first person scared into votingIn post 1185, Kazyan wrote:
Eh, screw it, seems legit. VOTE: BeeboyIn post 1179, unwnd wrote:So yeah to the people who hate reading
Andante wagon bad because it is cultivated by potential Beeboy partners; Andante is limbait at worst
Beeboy partners mad that Beeboy not post
Beeboy continue to not post, we should vote him
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On one hand, you're right about how diffident I'm being--all else being equal, you should definitely kill someone who's playing like this. I don't actually have a defense for how my actions can be distinguished from scum, tbh. On the other, I don't think I'm playing any differently than I did during Mini Normal 2187, during which I was town.In post 1404, unwnd wrote:Impressions on Kaz really boil down to the sentiment he brings. That being there is none. My issue with Kaz can be summarized that I don't think he believes anything he's saying really, and his flippant behavior accurately depicts that. Look at his readlist in #704. Now look at where his vote at and how it's followed said read-list. Spoiler it hasn't followed it at all. Why would you scumlean Pooky in that post and then go 'oh well yup, I guess Beeboy is scum after all'. I would be considering why my scumlean is trying to drive a lim onto a no-presence slot. What are some other votes he's made so far? Pooky? That didn't last long, he moved on and voted Cakez in his #832. You'd think he'd stay with that vote and maybe grill his apparent read or I don't know, work with them? Nah, unvote Cakez I was wrong this whole time silly me don't scumread me for opportunistic behavior. There's a lot of accusations from him as well but like, it just doesn't go anywhere. I don't understand what he's gaining by making statements like"Also, notice how quiet things are from former hyperposters (I'm particularly side-eyeing unwnd) now that I'm the center of attention."What purpose does it serve? And again, the moment someone says 'no, that's not how it works' he immediately changes his mind. Added bonus: His stances have all been rudimentary and have mostly followed the order of town, bluntly put safe. He's playing so low to the ground his animal might as well be a mole.- unwnd
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Caught up again, some thoughts:
I really appreciate that unwnd changed avatars, cuz I realize that sometimes during my reading before my brain put unwnd shiro norwee and ivy into the same thought train without quite catching that no these are different people >.< that being said, shiro and ivy don't feel as present enough I can read them as different people like I can unwnd and norwee, may need to actually iso them.
Now that Pooky has been more serious posting, I don't like it. I can't put my finger on what I don't like, just the general feel I don't like.
Happy we got some content from Murdercat. i know he's busy with the FTC of The List rn, so I'm less concerned that he's not super here since I know that will change as soon as that ends.
I really like what Fen is doing, I really like the style of question asking like that. Especially the questions being asked. You can be in my town box.
SirCakez has been a weird back and forth for me, sometimes I really like what he does and other times I find the reasons for his posts confusing. But the general tone does seem to be genuine thought processes, not anything fabricated so this is fine.
I really like the way Flea posts. Everything gets broken up into easily readable chunks that my brain really likes. That being said, nothing about Flea's posts gives me any sort of feel about in game connection. I just really like faer as a person.
Chara posts are *very* good and I keep finding myself nodding along to them every time. Farkran too.
At this point, beeboy's lack of presence does give me TM flashbacks. I really want him to come back and prove me wrong. If only also because if it turns out yet again that his slot is scum, this has basically become a trust tell and that's bullshit.
I really don't get people's positive view of Toadette. I might just need more content to see it, but I'm real hesitant on that slot.
I do agree that some of Andante's posts have a very weird tone to them. Especially when her wagon was super big. Something about the brand of "no please, give me more votes for dumb reasons" kind of sarcasm rang hollow in a way. It wasn't defensive or anything, just.. Idk. There's a certain amount of *something* that feels funny.
I like everything Dwlee does, genuinely trying to play the game and question what people are doing. Top town read.
I've sort of forgotten that Ivy and firebringer are in this game. That might be more on me than it is on them. FB was good early, I miss him now. Ivy just feels like the sort that pops in long enough to give presence, but not long enough to actually do anything aside from keep positive vibes about her going.(there's also a slight possibility that I'm mixing her and the previously mentioned avatars up and she has actually been here in a good way and I'm a moron). Just general feel for now.Xalxe: this is xofelf sometimes we call each other names and other times we share emotions
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Townread:
Nero (big solvy energy)
Townlean:
xofelf (rambly in a way that scum do not curate)
Andante (she's indignant in that way that she seems to be as town)
SirCakez (Cakez's thoughts seem to fit together now that I've had the progression pointed out)
Firebringer (Gut read)
Null:
Pooky
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I forget which one of these people are which:
Raya
Flea the magician
Shiro
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unwnd (too good at being scum to say anything is town-indicative)
flow trap (honesty, but scummy play?)
Chara (I don't want to give brownie points just for townreading me, but otherwise, ???)
Dwlee99 (responses seem very careful in a way that scum would want, but seems to actually try to solve the game)
Scumlean:
Save The Dragons (ISO is full of softball questions that go nowhere)
NBEE (contingent on Beeboy being scum)
Brave Heart Lion (very parse posts)
Toadette (just dropped an analysis and left; that seems like a scummy move to get towncred and then let the arguments play out)
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If beeboy not posting as scum is a genuine scumtell then I think that's a valid enough reason. I'd always take a low info scumflip I'm feeling confident on over someone else who will give more info but I feel less confident on. Also we get a lot of info from the wagons and who was hesitant/who defended. Also the stuff Chara said tooIn post 1288, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I don't understand why we should ever eliminate a slot that doesn't even post. The allignment indicative information we'd get out of that flip if scum is zero to none. And if they flip town it's even worse.
I think I already discussed these points in my last post but let me know if I missed anything you want me to explain.In post 1326, Chara wrote:
Raya's toadette read stood out because she gave the reasoning as toadette having a contentful entrance in comparison to others. fine for earlygame, but Raya continued to question scumreads on the slot while catching and the read feels like it has more strength than is warranted.In post 1321, Save The Dragons wrote:
okay, why?In post 1314, Chara wrote:i think Raya's scummy, we can talk about that.
that and the Kaz read, which i did talk to Raya about and i can see the angle there, but it does also seem to me like an easy read to make, you see busywork and call it scummy and then you can use that to direct the rest of your posting. i remember Raya quoting a post someone else made about how the pro posting/anti posting list was weird, but then Kaz did put out a readlist afterwards, and Raya interacted with the part about the busywork list being pointless and possibly lamisty but it didn't feel like she was really digging into why it was made.
i'd like to discuss both these points when she returns to the thread though. the problem may also be that Raya's stuck playing catchup whenever she has time to post.
Are there any other posts of Kaz's that stood out to you as towny? I do agree with the one you mentioned but I'm not seeing it the same way you are in their other postsIn post 1342, Chara wrote:
i can see how my comment was read like that, but i was talking more about vibes than the comment making logical sense. like, Kaz saying what they want and having a strong, potentionally contentious position that gives a good idea of what sort of player they are and how they approach mafia, is why i townread them. it was just a random example of the style of Kaz's posting. the way they reacted to calls for making content earlygame also tracks with this. it just doesn't feel like they're trying to appease anybody even as they sort of went along with what i and others were saying.In post 1339, SirCakez wrote:I mean logically it makes sense but I'm not sure that necessarily makes it town
Answered in my above postIn post 1379, SirCakez wrote:I recall some people TRing Toadette? why is that? I can't even remember any of their posts.
I wish I left for holidayIn post 1389, Anya wrote:VOTE: Raya
she switched all the lights on at home and left for holiday hoping we wouldn't notice the house is actually empty
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To borrow something drippinggoofball once said about meIn post 1144, Dwlee99 wrote:
Why is Andante town?In post 1142, Firebringer wrote:
im perpetually promising more to deliver.In post 1139, Dwlee99 wrote:Also, I'm still waiting on firebringer to "destroy the wagon" or whatever he said.
but if u have questions for me. i am available for next 15minutes while my work computer does updates.
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she is so earnest town to me. Like bleeds town in away that sounds genuine in posts about what she is thinking doing. Don't think anything is fake from her.
She kind of reminds me of a younger me.
Anyways for those who have been missing me post because i know im a joy to have around and ur all just aching to read my posts. I will be giving a LONG WALL. what u say? firebringer wall. thats ridiculous.
Well i want to give a comment/reaction to everything ive been missing since ive been busy. So will get to that. I got to finish this assignment tonight but after that gonna give out a long post response to every post (won't quote just gonna use the post tag). Maybe ill have some spicy reads list by end of it. Who knows.
Wow this post sounds so meta it sounds like mastina wrote it. I am actually disgusted with myself now. Gross.
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown- unwnd
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kaz I have another question to you if you don't mind:
Let's say hypothetically that you're scum here. What do you different? What makes you town here? I was a bit shocked you just laid down and went 'yeah I don't blame you for scumreading me'. I honestly don't mind when people defend themselves because I think people fail to understand one crucial aspect of this game
The best to know you is yourself. That's true for everyone. Defending yourself is not inherently scummy and it gives perspectiveProtect yourself from the back of your mind- Firebringer
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One more comment before i go. Unwnd really like the new avatar. Looks good on uShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown- unwnd
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Also this post really makes me want to vote beeboy.
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown- PookyTheMagicalBear
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I've only had one scumgame, so I can't tell you if there's a pattern per se--but in that game, I spent the whole time arranging the town to make the following day go smoothly. Behind every miselim push, I was setting up another townie for failure. Here's an example in Newbie 2057:In post 1439, unwnd wrote:kaz I have another question to you if you don't mind:
Let's say hypothetically that you're scum here. What do you different? What makes you town here? I was a bit shocked you just laid down and went 'yeah I don't blame you for scumreading me'. I honestly don't mind when people defend themselves because I think people fail to understand one crucial aspect of this game
The best to know you is yourself. That's true for everyone. Defending yourself is not inherently scummy and it gives perspective
This was my way of saying "I don't care which one of you gets wagoned, as long as I can start dunking on the other tomorrow". But I haven't done anything in this game that, if someone flips town, would tell me who to vote for on Day 2. I haven't been "scumhunting" in a way that gives me an excuse to tunnel tomorrow in a way that looks towny.In post 133, Kazyan wrote:Yeah, I'm really not vibing with an RVS meme-wagon being objectionable, during a period where there aren't actually enough players to hammer anyone, rather than the post contents.
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You know what Kaz? I believe you man. I don't think you should look down on yourself for the behavior I described. If townies were never scummy then mislims literally wouldn't exist. Misinterpreting someone is the biggest offender and gets honest animals killed.
Fark I'm starting to see your world and I'm sorry if it took me a minute to get there.Protect yourself from the back of your mind- Dwlee99
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Why do you find the scumreads on Andante opportunistic and townread me?In post 1431, Raya36 wrote:Andante has been one of the bigger topics and I strongly believe that the reasons she's being scumread for are NAI. I wouldn't call her a townread. I just think the scumreads there are opportunistic and need to be challenged.I prefer they, thanks :) - Dwlee99
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