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i still believe that, and honestly the motivation for going to ground today of all days seems ??? when basically he just has to have a pulse to not get voted today
vs him being busy which is probably just what this is
in tenet he acted much the same way, especially after the early game wind left his sails.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Iverson
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yeah, that was more in response to cakez' earlier objections. "PoE+too low of standards" is a good way of putting why i think he's worth examining for some values of 3v1playing alt of borkjerfkin- Infinity 324
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basically this normal as the towngame, and the recently completed panic room that notsci modded as the scumgame.
in panic room he repped in late and basically tried pocketing me and tried to get me to like his slot and basically made his whole game about appeasing me (take a look at his iso if you don't believe me, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=32813, it's basically entirely talking to me and about me and in some places even though the logical conclusions of what he was spouting would make me scum, he wouldn't even call me scum).
i called him out on it and flipped him (and infinity was there too!)
and in the towngame, he was not tryharding, he was popping in and yolo-ing whenever he felt convenient, even if it made him look bad. it was a tough pl and people kept trying to flip him because he was one of the easier misflips, and i kept being stubborn about explaining that that isn't how he's playing scum these days and managed to stave off the misflip. he would be trying to be more ~political~ (i.e. have reads that would actually make people townread him, and not just say whatever he's thinking), and would also be sucking up to me more (sorry mena for being so blunt).
and i was right in that analysis, and he was town there (and infinity you were in that one too iirc!)
and here he's a lot more like the latter than the former. he isn't having reads that would particularly get on anybody's good side (like, literally does not need to pick a massive fight about nm repeatedly on day1, setting himself up as contrary to general thread opinion). he isn't being super try-hard-y for him. he isn't trying to get me to townread him in particular. he isn't trying to pocket me - the way he's playing this game isn't orienting around me, which si what i would expect to happen if he were scum. in panic room, he basically kept trying to appeal to me, as my vote is ultimately what was going to decide how that day played out. i have a certain amount of sway here too, and he isn't trying to tap into that. he isn't particularly going out of his way to interact with me. i don't think this is what current-era-mena's scumgame looks like. it looks a lot more like the normal imo.- Venus Fly Trap
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- i dont' think he goes out of his way to make his main push of the game a partner (like he entered the game trying to get nm flipped) in this setupIn post 3178, Iverson wrote:
I don't get the first part given that this setup incentivizes being aggressive against partners and it looks like he had prior experience to live up to/stay consistent with.In post 3111, Venus Fly Trap wrote:
i don't think he approaches nm the way he does as scum; i don't think he comes into this game deciding to bus him. he was very, very, very resolutely for that push and refused multiple entreaties to divert the wagon off of nm.In post 3104, Iverson wrote:Is there some silver bullet I am missing for why DC is town? In about ~12 minutes I am taking off for the day which means my vote will stay.
I don't know which wagon you're referring to here but Day 2 I did not see it as TvS and DC was basically a nonentity yesterday, at least from whenever I replaced in.
His positioning around you earlygame I felt was performatively contrarian precisely in the hopes of this, and 2181 he made a significant effort towards either getting on the same page or believing you were scum if he couldn't. Letting you have free rein for the sake of a pocket also doesn't work in this setup anyway.In post 3111, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i also think that he isn't playing around me the way he would as scum - i.e. he isn't making all of his play *abt me*; he is very, very, very willing to be contrary to me and do whatever he likes no matter what i might think abt it.i think scum-him basically tries to pocket me and tries to get on my good side and that usually manifests by making his reads match mine and trying to push my agenda. that isn't happenign here. he actually doesn't particularly care what i'm doing and isn't trying to match his play to mine. i think this is very +town for him
- the wagon i'm talking abt is the first time bulge was a cw to nm, and he kept trying to shoot it down. posts like 2074 and around there stuck out as being very memorable to me and real in the moment, about how vehemently he wanted nm and didn't want us getting distracted from him. are you positing that he basically came into the game trying to flip partner-nm and that's what he's spent the whole game doing?
- to be blunt, i don't think scum-mena tries to take a contrarian read on me here for teh sake of being contrary (sorry mena). i'm also not sure where you think he's being performative- Venus Fly Trap
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even though i hate to say it i think posts like these probably come from townIn post 3184, Iverson wrote:If you actually want me to go on an egoistic spiel about how it's totally not out of range I can but that summarizes it and we can skip it wow amazing ok go us- Venus Fly Trap
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i support this service and/or productIn post 3191, Iverson wrote:I can honestly go for either but I actively scumread DC
Momrangal I am literally just assuming she is scum because everyone else has been extremely town meanwhile Momrangal has not posted for essentially two full gamedays (I think they had like, 3 posts of commentary yesterday) and did not have anything in the first 25 pages that I found memorable- Kismet
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just is devoting a lot of effort into being nice and doesn't seem like he knows who to push (i don't think there's a single vote thrown down in that ISO)playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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point was it doesn't feel like this game where he got pissy with me very quicklyplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Venus Fly Trap
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yeah sorry if i'm not making my conclusions very clear - i am inclined to agree w/ your assessmentplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Venus Fly Trap
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ok. consider me sheeping you atm. i'll wait for infinity and ydrasse to do whatever.playing alt of borkjerfkin - Kismet
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