Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[Andante]

Why do people try to theorize in normals without knowing how normals work.

To be fair, a handful of us just came from a crazy normal game lol, Anya was 1 of 3 mafia doctors in that game, and the entire ending of that game was full of wild theories, and it was a normal game

I'm sorry I missed this one, I love abnormal normals.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86324
It was a pretty cool setup if I say so, I was informed GS, yeah. good times!

[Andante]

Tbh I don't have anything too solid read wise yet from yall I laughed at the "do you say anything but bitter one liners" and yeah. top complaint is, don't out roles. I do not care if that VT claim was serious or not, do not confirm if you were serious... tbh yall have way too much role talk, I'd love to steer away from that if possible

[Umlaut]

i like how choof and lemons are actually trying to advance the collective town info pool despite how unhelpfuil this RVS has been

I was going to ask if this was on the basis of just 95 and 98 since they were the only gamestate-advancing posts I could see by them but looking back on the thread I guess you're right that that still puts them above average.

I actually disagree with Egix in 108, Lemons' post seems like actually trying to understand and read Anya whereas Choof was just poking at me for something they would have understood already if they read the thread (and did understand a few posts later in 102)

Anya wagon is bad, I offer an alternative:

VOTE: choof

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

[choof]

I disagree with 102, btw, Anya's activity and throwing around ridiculous accusations is exactly what I expect from town!Anya in early game (to be fair I have exactly one datum backing this up).

haven't played with either of you so this may be moot atm, but we also have like a billion hours left in the day for her to spew town

And taking 61 seriously is just absurd.

I'd agree more if 47 didn't exist

Please do not ask people to confirm VT claims... and if people are VT please don't claim VT. thanks.

rhetorical question

Tbh I don't have anything too solid read wise yet from yall I laughed at the "do you say anything but bitter one liners" and yeah. top complaint is, don't out roles. I do not care if that VT claim was serious or not, do not confirm if you were serious... tbh yall have way too much role talk, I'd love to steer away from that if possible

perhaps this is because I don't mentally consider vanilla town to be a role in the same way that a roleblocker etc are considered roles

[choof]

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

wasn't sure where the vote count was so here you go
VOTE: Anya

[Ivyeo]

for the record, the day modifier is considered normal on MS, provided the role that it ap plies to is also considered normal.

I would be really surprised if this is true. What's your source?

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:
Activated, Announcing, Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Combined, Complex, Compulsive, Disloyal, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Indecisive, Informed, Lazy, Loud, Loyal, Macho, Multitasking, Neighbor, Ninja, Non-Consecutive Night, Personal, Roaming, Simple, Weak, X-Shot, any modifier restricting to a specific set of nights (e.g. Even/Odd Night, Night Specific, Novice)
Day is not listed, so it's not inheriently normal

[Andante]

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be voting Anya if they suspect her

Honestly, I'd agree with being sus of someone and not voting in that situation, like, votes were flying at Anya, and it looks like choof was trying to sort out their thoughts on Anya, like, when everyone is throwing votes on someone, I know I'll hold off on voting, logic my way through something, then vote, cause this early in the game.. I feel like we'd have people here who would speed hammer an E-1

[Andante]

perhaps this is because I don't mentally consider vanilla town to be a role in the same way that a roleblocker etc are considered roles

But see, if VTs claim, it narrows down who is PR for scum...

[choof]

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

[Andante]

lol I was digging into the normal guidelines last game... there's some wild stuff in it lol

[Andante]

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

wasn't sure where the vote count was so here you go
VOTE: Anya

Can I hear your top reason Anya is scum? The timing of this vote feels weird to me... it comes after someone is voting you for not voting Anya, there were only a few pages of content, wasn't hard to track how many votes on after you made your case...

[Umlaut]

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

I don't actually see how this is wtf-worthy but then I've been hanging around long enough that maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome

In short, a role is either normal or it isn't, it doesn't depend on what other roles are in the game. So sure, you can have a normal game with two Millers, a Deputy, a Cop Enabler, and no Cop. It would be a terrible game but it would satisfy the strict definition of normal.

[choof]

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

wasn't sure where the vote count was so here you go
VOTE: Anya

Can I hear your top reason Anya is scum?

I believe I've explained itt why I think Anya scummy, feel free to reread and if you run into anything that you think needs elaborating let me know

The timing of this vote feels weird to me... it comes after someone is voting you for not voting Anya

okay lol

there were only a few pages of content

I'll make sure my next vote will be for someone but only after there have been some arbitrary number of pages of content. what's a good number to go with, 15?

wasn't hard to track how many votes on after you made your case...

rly bad adhd

[choof]

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

I don't actually see how this is wtf-worthy

I just wasn't expecting a term that's primarily used to describe abusive situations to be used as a modifier
I've never seen it in mafia

[Ivyeo]

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

I don't actually see how this is wtf-worthy but then I've been hanging around long enough that maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome

In short, a role is either normal or it isn't, it doesn't depend on what other roles are in the game. So sure, you can have a normal game with two Millers, a Deputy, a Cop Enabler, and no Cop. It would be a terrible game but it would satisfy the strict definition of normal.

This is making me Giggle, idk why

[InsidiousLemons]

Bug do you think that Choof and lemons are inherently towny for this?

i think trying to push the game out of stagnant states is something scum are usually very reluctant to do. in theory a scuim

could

do it for wifom reasons but considering that is just forcefeeding myself poisoned wine

huh? being among the first to make a serious post is one of the easiest ways to gain towncred as scum. do you really believe what you're saying here?

for the record, the day modifier is considered normal on MS, provided the role that it ap plies to is also considered normal.

I would be really surprised if this is true. What's your source?

ivyeo already covered this, but i was wrong -- i only looked at the "explicitly not normal" modifier list because i thought the guidelines operated on a blacklist system rather than a whitelist. the whitelist makes a lot more sense

129 is bad and 137 is worse

VOTE: choof

[InsidiousLemons]

like yeah if the gamestate is stagnant 2 hours from deadline D2 scum probably aren't gonna try and get the ball rolling but there is zero risk straight out of RVS

[Andante]

hot take: VOTE: Ivyeo

[Andante]

like yeah if the gamestate is stagnant 2 hours from deadline D2 scum probably aren't gonna try and get the ball rolling but there is zero risk straight out of RVS

lmao what? it's d1

[Andante]

I believe I've explained itt why I think Anya scummy, feel free to reread and if you run into anything that you think needs elaborating let me know

You commented on a bunch of lines, I wanted the tldr recap not "here's my thoughts on a bunch of lines"

[Andante]

hot take: VOTE: Ivyeo

serious vote btw

[Ivyeo]

Why?

[InsidiousLemons]

like yeah if the gamestate is stagnant 2 hours from deadline D2 scum probably aren't gonna try and get the ball rolling but there is zero risk straight out of RVS

lmao what? it's d1

141 was a continuation of my reply to bugspray in 140. apologies for not making that clear

hot take: VOTE: Ivyeo

serious vote btw

why

p-edit why²

[InsidiousLemons]

You commented on a bunch of lines, I wanted the tldr recap not "here's my thoughts on a bunch of lines"

i am once again begging you to not automatically ignore and refuse to reread posts that cannot be read in <30 seconds
choof's posts on anya are not nearly long enough to merit a tldr

[Andante]

there's about 0 interactions with anyone from Ivy. 1 question to someone, entire content has been a vote with no reason attached (rvs) or informative stuff. like, just look at the Ivy iso, I'm getting bad vibes from the slot. feels like scum trying to coast by