Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[Ivyeo]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if the push on me feels genuine or not

[Andante]

There has barely been anything AI so far

you should just do some crazy shit so that we can also read you better and not have akwward andante reads

Got it
Choof and Bugspray are both Locktown for day 1, Choof's general tone and mindset is obvtown, and Bugspray has pushed back against everything I would have had I been awake.
Adante looks like a wrong towny rather than a scum
Umlaut is null
Anya is mildyl lean scum, as she isn't really contributing, and Osuka is mildly more leaning scum for being unhelpful.
No one else has left enoughj of an impression
VOTE: Osuka

hmm a readslist. trying to decide if I like this. will get back to you

[Andante]

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

tbh you can probably safely ignore the first page and a half but imo there's content after that that's worth looking into
ignoring legit content is anti-town
and you're vt right? wouldn't want to play against our win condition right

im fairly certain i can ignore all of day 1...
yeah, plain old vanilla.

thanks for outing yourself as dead weight d1 I suppose

well, i am trying new things. it worked so well in my last game, thought why not here too.

Ok, if you actually are VT, that was the dumbest move you could make.. just saying, I wouldn't recommend continuing this strat, I might move you to scum lean for now, but that would be cause you said you did it in a past game and it worked, so you could still be riding that wave and doing it here, since I'm guessing you just got written off as bad town for the claim last time.

[Andante]

There has barely been anything AI so far

you should just do some crazy shit so that we can also read you better and not have akwward andante reads

Got it
Choof and Bugspray are both Locktown for day 1, Choof's general tone and mindset is obvtown, and Bugspray has pushed back against everything I would have had I been awake.
Adante looks like a wrong towny rather than a scum
Umlaut is null
Anya is mildyl lean scum, as she isn't really contributing, and Osuka is mildly more leaning scum for being unhelpful.
No one else has left enoughj of an impression
VOTE: Osuka

The later additions to this readlist almost feel made to appease. And the "Andante looks like a wrong towny" is newbscum deflection. VOTE: Ivyeo

You feel like you've already decided to push me this game, so either why not try to look at me with an open mind, or if you're so convinced, just push me?

[T3]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

[humaneatingmonkey]

What do you mean general meta vibes

[Andante]

@andante can you point to any specific posts from anya that you think are town

T3 is a woefully unengaged player because he's stretched himself too thin signing up for almost every game on the site. i'm not really sure how to fix this because even running him up last game didn't convince him to try very hard

I need time for my Anya read honestly, I would have bet on Anya flipping town last game, so I'm honestly just a little lost on her right now, once I'm caught up I'll re iso her, but she tricked me so good last game....

And yeah T3 in every single game, giving this minimal participation just pisses me off, oh!! and since it's over now, last normal in the dead chat, he decided to tell me how much he hates my playstyle... like, I'm sorry, I hate getting the minimal effort from you, and now its turned into minimal effort + a tunnel on me... it's great..

[geraintm]

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

tbh you can probably safely ignore the first page and a half but imo there's content after that that's worth looking into
ignoring legit content is anti-town
and you're vt right? wouldn't want to play against our win condition right

im fairly certain i can ignore all of day 1...
yeah, plain old vanilla.

thanks for outing yourself as dead weight d1 I suppose

well, i am trying new things. it worked so well in my last game, thought why not here too.

Ok, if you actually are VT, that was the dumbest move you could make.. just saying, I wouldn't recommend continuing this strat, I might move you to scum lean for now, but that would be cause you said you did it in a past game and it worked, so you could still be riding that wave and doing it here, since I'm guessing you just got written off as bad town for the claim last time.

oh no it didnt work, not at all! Last game i did it and got lynched 2 days later despite everyone saying day 1 i was the towniest townie person who had ever lived. why i kept wanting to add in the /s tag

i was written off for being bad town for many, many other reasons.

[geraintm]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

i'm playing the long con. i'll keep saying it as town until the one time i am scum....

[Andante]

vibe check:
Anya - scum read x2
bugspray - town read
T3 -
Andante - scum read
geraintm -
Ivyeo -
Egix96 -
osuka - scum read
choof -
Dunnstral - town read
InsidiousLemons -
Umlaut - town read

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now, I don't think there's enough information to go divide the town into two wagons, but I also want everyone to use their votes and see where the game state leads. I'm also trying to be more familiar with everybody right now. Anya feels like scum trying to look like town, while also the player who looks like they're playing a scum wincon the most. I got this vibe from bringing up town roles so early in a very fishy way "for reaction", and how she's been using RVS information so far.

Ask me anything.

rip. I'm scum read by our new friend... CHOOF I WAS LIKING YOU!!!! WHYYYYYYY

Easy. I'm catching up, then I wanna figure out where I stand with Ivy, and I'll try looking at Anya, I'll probably be 0 help on an Anya read, she was lock town as scum for me :/

[Andante]

to have fun

you feel like you're trying to put on a play at the opera

you have fun as scum though!!!

and yeah, came in trying to take charge.. not sure how I view that...

[Andante]

I mean, these are your lines in specific I hate. literally feels like textbook scum, feels very emotionless, trying to be "helpful" I see it all the time. You think lines like this will have people going "oh that's very pro towny" like, it feels like you are trying to coast... and I don't like it

Spoiler:

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

weird post

Good Post

@MOD

Is the Highlight just the biggest wagon?

for the record, the day modifier is considered normal on MS, provided the role that it ap plies to is also considered normal.

I would be really surprised if this is true. What's your source?

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:
Activated, Announcing, Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Combined, Complex, Compulsive, Disloyal, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Indecisive, Informed, Lazy, Loud, Loyal, Macho, Multitasking, Neighbor, Ninja, Non-Consecutive Night, Personal, Roaming, Simple, Weak, X-Shot, any modifier restricting to a specific set of nights (e.g. Even/Odd Night, Night Specific, Novice)
Day is not listed, so it's not inheriently normal

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

I don't actually see how this is wtf-worthy but then I've been hanging around long enough that maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome

In short, a role is either normal or it isn't, it doesn't depend on what other roles are in the game. So sure, you can have a normal game with two Millers, a Deputy, a Cop Enabler, and no Cop. It would be a terrible game but it would satisfy the strict definition of normal.

This is making me Giggle, idk why

ahahahahahahahah what the fuck

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

I didn't feel like it was a genuine question. like, the posts look like "busywork" and I literally still stand by it. Ivy hasn't gotten better since I initially called them out, and all yall are just completely ignoring Ivy...

my literal next post was a list of reads, are you jsut going to ignore that?

I. WAS. CATCHING. UP.

[Andante]

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

I thought the point Andante was trying to make was that Ivyeo was making posts that, even if made with the intention of being helpful, did not really do much to advance the game.

Yeah sorta. There was nothing advancing about Ivy's stuff, I understand it was RVS, but like, even in RVS people usually have something, to me it literally looked like Ivy was trying to do the bare minimum on posting to get by - if that makes sense. Voted the one who claimed VT, ok cool.. idk, the vibes aren't there, and even since calling out Ivy, Ivy hasn't changed anything about how they're really playing

if ivy is town, who do you think is scum?

I'm not sure on reads yet, I need a second, will get back to yall

[Andante]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if the push on me feels genuine or not

oh it was a genuine fos I'll tell you that

[Andante]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

What do you tr me for? pocket request rejected.

[Andante]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

i'm playing the long con. i'll keep saying it as town until the one time i am scum....

Such a shame I've already seen through that plan. you're going to need to do a whole lot more than just hope that claim carries you to the finish line

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

i'm playing the long con. i'll keep saying it as town until the one time i am scum....

what are you doing and what's ur motive right now

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

also, after explaining your andante meta town read, can you tell me what are you doing and what's ur motive right now

[T3]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

What do you tr me for? pocket request rejected.

You seem less confident and more argumentative and that I think aligns with town you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

What do you tr me for? pocket request rejected.

You seem less confident and more argumentative and that I think aligns with town you.

how many games have you had with andante, and can you cite games?

[Andante]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

What do you tr me for? pocket request rejected.

You seem less confident and more argumentative and that I think aligns with town you.

what even?? lmaoo I mean, I'll accept a tr, but I don't like that your plan is "yeah I meta tr Andante" like.. that points to you not reading the game, and you knowing fully well I'll fight a SR on me for no reason...

so if meta says I'm town now, why was I scum before?

[Andante]

T3, I hope you know fully well I'm not gonna blindly TR you cause you outed a TR on me...

[Andante]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

What do you tr me for? pocket request rejected.

You seem less confident and more argumentative and that I think aligns with town you.

how many games have you had with andante, and can you cite games?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86324
here's the last normal with a handful of people from here, I believe we yeeted T3 for doing nothing that game lmao

[T3]

T3, I hope you know fully well I'm not gonna blindly TR you cause you outed a TR on me...

My plan is to read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

T3 could be scum