Open 809: Charge Me Up! [Over]

[Andante]

i'm going to start uninviting people from my dragon party if they keep trolling me

Am I still invited to the dragon party?

[Save The Dragons]

yes

[Andante]

YAAASSSSS

[MathBlade]

gj mathblade thx

And thanks for not limming yesiree yall

Thanks Koba and GG everyone!

Sorry I went all paranoia-y

[T3]

g-g
Thanks for modding

[MathBlade]

Agreed. Thanks for modding!

I think the redirector should probably be changed to be the normal one but that’s not a mod mistake as it’s currently different.

Ideally I would also put in a threshold of power boosts for scum (eg 1-2 extra votes) this can balance if less known people draw scum. Like they just have one to two more shots at the start of the game to assign to people.

[MathBlade]

This also allows for scum to have powers and not forced to give to buddies which creates good fake claims.

Especially if they know their buddies will always have powers they can spread stuff out
Like “oh I gave it to So and So (new player) so I could sort them” which is a Townie and scummy thing.

[Raya36]

I can definitely forward these ideas on.

Any thoughts on the no pre-game discussion rule? It has to be in place because an honest mass claim would automatically solve the PRs and a dishonest mass claim would really narrow the pool down. But it would be nice if there was a way to make it more lenient so it doesn't fully take away that aspect of the game

[VFP]

Thanks Raya for moddiong.

GG town and nice try scum!
So I really wanted to discuss why scum probably had 3 powers but I didn't want to risk breaking the rules or being in a grey area.

[DkKoba]

There's always doing it completely random, eliminates both the meta aspect and the claim aspect being able to clear PRs

[MathBlade]

Thanks Raya for moddiong.

GG town and nice try scum!
So I really wanted to discuss why scum probably had 3 powers but I didn't want to risk breaking the rules or being in a grey area.

I asked Raya this too and I think that there needs to be a way to counter this. I was thinking boosts would help. What really would help is maybe a d1 where everyone is vanilla then decide powers and scum get three additional in their pool. And if a player gets more than X shots they die from overflow

[MathBlade]

This allows for the charging aspect and the person elimmed on D1 also gets to charge someone

Then claiming can provide input and scum have the flexibility to give it to town or to scum based on how the game is going.

[MathBlade]

Plus then you can pick a role based on gamestate. Eg if you think deep wolf then desperado is valuable.
But desperado should also be reversed to prevent everyone just picking desperado then scum outed.

[MathBlade]

The number of boosts may need a counter or even better yet

Have each power choice be one of two powers

Eg desperado/rolecop << where you pick one of those two roles.

And rolecop shows the pairing

Ugh I gotta focus on work but I think this setup could be improved a lot while keeping the charge idea

[Flea The Magician]

I swear DK was going to have an aneurism in the dead thread xD

I can definitely forward these ideas on.

Any thoughts on the no pre-game discussion rule? It has to be in place because an honest mass claim would automatically solve the PRs and a dishonest mass claim would really narrow the pool down. But it would be nice if there was a way to make it more lenient so it doesn't fully take away that aspect of the game

Keep it, honestly. It's a potential game breaker as people can claim, claim shots, then claim who they charged and fake claimers are done. I would say submitted role could be claimable but that's it.

I did really enjoy this tbh, and I'm glad I in'd for it

[Flea The Magician]

Role assignments:

Spoiler: Order from random.org

mozamis
Dark Magician Girl
NDMath

MiniVirgo (MiniMegabyte + JacksonVirgo)
TheYankeeReaper
Save the Dragons
Green Crayons
NoPowerOverMe
Flea the Magician
Not_Mafia
Artemiana
Lukewarm
flow trap
DkKoba

DkKoba -

Commuter, Not_Mafia

-

0

-

Vanilla

flow trap -

Friendly Neighbor, mozamis

-

1

-

1 shot Friendly Neighbor

Artemiana -

Midnight Desperado, Flea The Magician

-

0

-

Vanilla

MiniVirgo -

Jailkeeper, Flea The Magician

-

0

-

Vanilla

VFP

NoPowerOverMe

-

Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia

-

0

-

Vanilla

Dark Magician Girl -

Jailkeeper, mozamis

-

1

-

1 shot Jailkeeper

mozamis -

Tracker, NDMath

-

3

-

3 shot Tracker

Green Crayons -

Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia

-

2

-

2 shot Friendly Neighbor

Vanilla

Flea The Magician -

Jailkeeper, mozamis

-

2

-

2 shot Jailkeeper

vanilla

Lukewarm -

Rolecop, Save The Dragons

-

0

-

Vanilla

Yessiree

TheYankeeReaper

-

Tracker, Green Crayons

-

0

-

Vanilla

Not_Mafia -

Midnight Desperado, Green Crayons

-

3

-

3 shot Midnight Desparado

Save The Dragons -

Doctor, flow trap

-

1

-

1 shot Doctor

NDMath -

Watcher, Dark Magician Girl

-

1

-

1 shot Watcher

Question on this, how did 1 shot jailkeeper happen but not 2-shot? :/

[DkKoba]

I swear DK was going to have an aneurism in the dead thread xD

I can definitely forward these ideas on.

Any thoughts on the no pre-game discussion rule? It has to be in place because an honest mass claim would automatically solve the PRs and a dishonest mass claim would really narrow the pool down. But it would be nice if there was a way to make it more lenient so it doesn't fully take away that aspect of the game

Keep it, honestly. It's a potential game breaker as people can claim, claim shots, then claim who they charged and fake claimers are done. I would say submitted role could be claimable but that's it.

I did really enjoy this tbh, and I'm glad I in'd for it [/quote
I did.. i thought once i flipped green theyd be like "huh ok lets see what town dk was talking about" but no. Luckily robert was really just that blatant

[DkKoba]

Role assignments:

Spoiler: Order from random.org

mozamis
Dark Magician Girl
NDMath

MiniVirgo (MiniMegabyte + JacksonVirgo)
TheYankeeReaper
Save the Dragons
Green Crayons
NoPowerOverMe
Flea the Magician
Not_Mafia
Artemiana
Lukewarm
flow trap
DkKoba

DkKoba -

Commuter, Not_Mafia

-

0

-

Vanilla

flow trap -

Friendly Neighbor, mozamis

-

1

-

1 shot Friendly Neighbor

Artemiana -

Midnight Desperado, Flea The Magician

-

0

-

Vanilla

MiniVirgo -

Jailkeeper, Flea The Magician

-

0

-

Vanilla

VFP

NoPowerOverMe

-

Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia

-

0

-

Vanilla

Dark Magician Girl -

Jailkeeper, mozamis

-

1

-

1 shot Jailkeeper

mozamis -

Tracker, NDMath

-

3

-

3 shot Tracker

Green Crayons -

Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia

-

2

-

2 shot Friendly Neighbor

Vanilla

Flea The Magician -

Jailkeeper, mozamis

-

2

-

2 shot Jailkeeper

vanilla

Lukewarm -

Rolecop, Save The Dragons

-

0

-

Vanilla

Yessiree

TheYankeeReaper

-

Tracker, Green Crayons

-

0

-

Vanilla

Not_Mafia -

Midnight Desperado, Green Crayons

-

3

-

3 shot Midnight Desparado

Save The Dragons -

Doctor, flow trap

-

1

-

1 shot Doctor

NDMath -

Watcher, Dark Magician Girl

-

1

-

1 shot Watcher

Question on this, how did 1 shot jailkeeper happen but not 2-shot? :/

Mod error but it didnt effect anything i see

[Flea The Magician]

Oh straight up I would've used the shots on completely the wrong people probably but still

[Raya36]

Thanks Raya for moddiong.

GG town and nice try scum!
So I really wanted to discuss why scum probably had 3 powers but I didn't want to risk breaking the rules or being in a grey area.

Maybe there needs to be a clearer rule set of what can be discussed instead of just strictly nothing. Strict no claiming of your target or role choice. But setup spec should still be an option

[Raya36]

There's always doing it completely random, eliminates both the meta aspect and the claim aspect being able to clear PRs

That's true but I think that takes away some of the fun of it being a upick

[Raya36]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12762777]post 2740[/url], Flea The Magician"]Question on this, how did 1 shot jailkeeper happen but not 2-shot? :/[/quote]
If a power role is chosen twice the player with the less shots gets to keep the role and the other becomes vanilla.

"If there are two or more players choosing the same Power Role, the one who gets less Pre-Game Vote gets the PR and the other one remains Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon."

[Raya36]

Idk why I'm struggling so hard with this quote but I give up

[flow trap]

Pog I charged scum

[Raya36]

don't worry. A lot of people charged scum this game!