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[osuka]

i think hem can be town for now

[osuka]

lemons hardcore townposting, conftown
hem can be townish for now

[osuka]

first of all you safari using savages need to just download firefox and live a better life

second of all VOTE: andante

[osuka]

and third of all people constantly try to meta read me and never get it right. i can't think of a single player that read me correctly based on meta on the second game we played together, where i had different a different alignment the first and second games. it's only at the third that they start to realize they cant do that

remember andres in the last game? he never even looked my way because the first game we played together i rolled town. self meta is useless, i realize, but if that's what you're going off of it's not gonna work

[osuka]

that all said, how aggressive i am mostly depends on how annoyed i am, and how annoyed i am mostly depends on how much stupid shit other people are saying

there hasn't been a huge reason for me to get tilted this game yet, but i'm sure there will so just give it time

[Andante]

first of all you safari using savages need to just download firefox and live a better life

second of all VOTE: andante

that's a bad vote my friend

[Dunnstral]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

[Dunnstral]

Can someone tell me if it's typical for Andante to have nearly twice as many posts as anyone else in the game? In my experience that can be a stronger towntell then most people give it credit for but it depends on the player.

I think this is a good point

[Andante]

They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

That's honestly the feeling I'm getting

[humaneatingmonkey]

lemons hardcore townposting, conftown
hem can be townish for now

can you explain lemons hardcore townposting, conftown?
can you also explain why I'm townish?

[humaneatingmonkey]

if it's not a scum post, it was a town post. she can be town for now.

this is a terrible way to play mafia.

there are only three ways to read posts. scum, town, or either. if it's not a scum post, it's a town post. but agree to disagree.

this argument doesn't even follow. if it's not a town post there are still, by your own admission, two options left: null and scum. thinking in such binary terms as "if a post isn't explicitly town AI then it is necessarily scum AI" will get us nowhere

this is very pedantic but I can't help myself.

the options aren't town, scum, and null. it's town, scum, and either. if it's not scum, then it can't be either. thus it can only be town.
i'm not talking about player alignment, i'm talking about reading posts. i understand it's too early to conftown someone.

[T3]

lemons hardcore townposting, conftown
hem can be townish for now

Explain? I hve hem as lean tow n and am not sure about lemons.

[InsidiousLemons]

okay SO searching T3's vast ISO of 8 posts for reads and/or opinions we find:

Spoiler: intrepid sleuthing

Egix and choof giving good vibes.

egix96

and

choof

(replaced by

humaneatingmonkey

) - townlean

Andnte'sread on Ivy feels as forced as putting a squre peg into a round hole.
Umlaut town.

andante

- scumlean (?)

umlaut

- town

The later additions to this readlist almost feel made to appease. And the "Andante looks like a wrong towny" is newbscum deflection. VOTE: Ivyeo

Ivyeo

(who has been on the site for 6 months longer than T3) - newbscum

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

gerain

- townlean (?)

andante again

- town now "based on the general meta vibes" and also because

You seem less confident and more argumentative and that I think aligns with town you.

hm.

and finally:

lemons hardcore townposting, conftown
hem can be townish for now

Explain? I hve hem as lean tow n and am not sure about lemons.

monkey

(post-replacement) - still townlean

lemons

- null

phew! what a journey. organizing this into a reads list, we get:

Umlaut

- town

Andante

- townlean

geraintm

- townlean

Egix96

- townlean

humaneatingmonkey

- townlean

InsidiousLemons

- null

Ivyeo

- scum

bugspray

- unspecified

Anya

- unspecified

osuka

- unspecified

Dunnstral

- unspecified

@T3 do you agree with the list as it appears here? have any of your reads changed or become clearer since you first made them? please interact with this game or any of the players this is really sad

[Dunnstral]

Why is the above directed at T3 and not me?

[Ivyeo]

Ivyeo

(who has been on the site for 6 months longer than T3) - newbscum

I've been on the site for a while, but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will.

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao Lemons complaining that T3 isn't interacting with the game but had enough content in 8 posts to organize a readlist. surely, you understand the irony.

[InsidiousLemons]

lmao Lemons complaining that T3 isn't interacting with the game but had enough content in 8 posts to organize a readlist. surely, you understand the irony.

but he isn't interacting with the game. few if any of his posts contain attempts to engage directly with or question another player. calling any of what ive quoted above "content" is a gross overstatement. his posts are one-liner, hands-off observations, exclusively. he has provided almost no justification for any of his reads. he has yet to respond to a question asked of him, other than to "clarify" his read on andante.

so no, i don't really understand the irony

[humaneatingmonkey]

do you think T3 could be scum?

[InsidiousLemons]

the options aren't town, scum, and null. it's town, scum, and either. if it's not scum, then it can't be either. thus it can only be town.
i'm not talking about player alignment, i'm talking about reading posts. i understand it's too early to conftown someone.

you're assuming that "not explicitly scummy" equals "explicitly not scummy". you can not think a post is scummy and also not think it's towny. this really isn't that hard

anyway i don't think this is really a debate that needs to be continued, it's just weird to me that you're trying to sort every post as either overtly scum or, if not overtly scum, then overtly town.

do you think T3 could be scum?

it's certainly not out of the question, but i think you may be misunderstanding my motivation for making the post directed at him. last game he ended up as what was essentially a policy lim D2, because he simply did not give us anything to go off of and refused to even try to stay responsive or invested in the game. i'm trying to avoid a repeat by pressuring him to start engaging in meaningful discussion early.

[humaneatingmonkey]

who do you think is scum then?

[InsidiousLemons]

Why is the above directed at T3 and not me?

see above. i have history with T3 and i'm trying to avoid a specific scenario where he does fuck all for 30 pages and then flips VT.

your post history also feels much more organic than T3's. you posted a few times early game, vanished for a few pages, now you're back. your ISO is skinny, but what's there is at least somewhat intentional. T3's posts, on the other hand, are very evenly spread out through the game, and seem to have been made with the goal of having posted something rather than scumhunting or applying pressure. he said his goal this game was "to read" for god's sake. if that's not a reason to try and get some content out of him then i don't know what is.

don't get me wrong though. i do want to hear more from you. do you have any substantive reads or takes on what's happened in the time you've been gone, apart from what you've mentioned just now?

p-edit top FoS's right now are you, osuka, bugspray and gerain, in no particular order. i haven't switched off of osuka yet because there's still not been a vote count and i'm wary of changing when i have no idea what the totals are. that being said, i hardly think i'll kill you if i

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

[humaneatingmonkey]

humaneatingmonkey (4): Umlaut, Anya, geraintm, InsidiousLemons
osuka (2): Bugspray, Ivyeo
Umlaut (1): geraintm
Anya (1): choof
geraintm (1): Andante
T3 (1): Egix96
Andante (1): osuka

With 12 players, how many are the mafia? 3?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why is the above directed at T3 and not me?

see above. i have history with T3 and i'm trying to avoid a specific scenario where he does fuck all for 30 pages and then flips VT.

your post history also feels much more organic than T3's. you posted a few times early game, vanished for a few pages, now you're back. your ISO is skinny, but what's there is at least somewhat intentional. T3's posts, on the other hand, are very evenly spread out through the game, and seem to have been made with the goal of having posted something rather than scumhunting or applying pressure. he said his goal this game was "to read" for god's sake. if that's not a reason to try and get some content out of him then i don't know what is.

don't get me wrong though. i do want to hear more from you. do you have any substantive reads or takes on what's happened in the time you've been gone, apart from what you've mentioned just now?

p-edit top FoS's right now are you, osuka, bugspray and gerain, in no particular order. i haven't switched off of osuka yet because there's still not been a vote count and i'm wary of changing when i have no idea what the totals are. that being said, i hardly think i'll kill you if i

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

so with these in no particular order, why choose me and why have you spent most of your time on T3?

[humaneatingmonkey]

gerain, a scumread that you have, is doing a worse job than T3.

[humaneatingmonkey]

in fact, if osuka is a scumread of yours, why did you even switch off him instead of putting your vote to good use?