Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[The Bulge]

Votecount 4.1

Vasex

[2] - Marky Mark, Andresvmb

Enchant

[1] - Almost50

Cabd

[1] - samantha97

Nero Cain

[1] - DrippingGoofball

Not voting

- Nero Cain, NDMath, Anastasia, Enchant, KittyTacky, Vasex, bloodhail, Cabd

With 13 players alive, it will take 7 votes to achieve an elimination.

The deadline for Day 4 is Saturday, May 29 at 12:40 pm EDT. You have (expired on 2021-05-29 12:40:00).

[Nero Cain]

i mean Sams voting cabd whom I think should prob be the days lynch but ok...

[Almost50]

Why not Nero? Unless you really suspect mafia doctor of course.

Nero -to me- is Town, but I don't trust his reads. If I am to sheep someone they have to be a TR AND have good reads.

Samantha & Kitty were both early on the T3 wagon on D1. On D2 samantha ended the day on Dunn while Kitty was on STD (that's why sam > Kitty), and on D3 samantha was on XP (as was I) while Kitty wasn't. (That's why Kitty is sheepable here).

So, sam was right-right-wrong and Kitty was right-wrong-unknown. Now conpare that to Nero (who ended D1 on Cabd who is unflipped and then was on both Town flips on D2/D3).

Does that answer your question?

[Almost50]

i mean Sams voting cabd whom I think should prob be the days lynch but ok...

Indeed she is, Furthermore Cabd is in my own PoE, so no problem there. It is still too early for me to decide to switch to sheep-mode though with more than 13 days left in the day, so I'm in no hurry.

[bloodhail]

The person I sent fruit to should claim it. They claimed VT yesterday so it shouldn’t be all that hard.

hey whyd you target rathe n1

[Andresvmb]

The person I sent fruit to should claim it. They claimed VT yesterday so it shouldn’t be all that hard.

hey whyd you target rathe n1

Because I TR them. In fact they were my strongest TR that I felt was not going to get NK’ed at that stage. That was the thinking.

[bloodhail]

ok

why send fruit to rathe (unknown) and etine (claimed pr) over either of the two players who claimed VT on day 1

[Andresvmb]

ok

why send fruit to rathe (unknown) and etine (claimed pr) over either of the two players who claimed VT on day 1

You wanted me to send fruit to STD? Really?

[Andresvmb]

I don’t know who else claimed D1 I don’t remember.

[Andresvmb]

Who was hammered but not hammered?

[bloodhail]

ok

why send fruit to rathe (unknown) and etine (claimed pr) over either of the two players who claimed VT on day 1

You wanted me to send fruit to STD? Really?

im talking about cabd and enchant (i dont think save the dragons claimed)

like those seem like ideal targets because a claimed vt is never gonna die

[Andresvmb]

The rationale behind Etine is pretty straightforward. If they were lying about their Role I was going to find out. I would have claimed Fruit Vendor only and asked them if they got my fruit. If they said yes, then they’re lying and Scum. That was the simple reasoning. At this stage my power is useless because the Scum will openly stop me from using it effectively if they can. Which I suspect they did here already.

[Andresvmb]

ok

why send fruit to rathe (unknown) and etine (claimed pr) over either of the two players who claimed VT on day 1

You wanted me to send fruit to STD? Really?

im talking about cabd and enchant (i dont think save the dragons claimed)

like those seem like ideal targets because a claimed vt is never gonna die

I don’t think sending fruit to Enchant makes any sense. If I strongly TR you based on how your wagon formed and you claimed Vanilla already, why would I bother with that? I’m trying to expose Scum fake claims above confirming a VT claim that was pushed to the brink. I don’t think the latter is particularly valuable. And well, I ended up confirming Rathe’s role anyway which also helps.

Btw, mechanically, has anybody seen a neighborhood with two Scum traitors that can communicate with each other?

[bloodhail]

testing a vanilla claim seems straightforwardly the best use of the role and yr rationale seems highly questionable

like testing etine only works if etine is exactly a mafia goon, but hypothetically etine could be a mafia PR who wouldn't receive the fruit either

id figure if i had that role id want to target someone who might actually confirm me as FV

[bloodhail]

i mean Sams voting cabd whom I think should prob be the days lynch but ok...

Indeed she is, Furthermore Cabd is in my own PoE, so no problem there. It is still too early for me to decide to switch to sheep-mode though with more than 13 days left in the day, so I'm in no hurry.

whys cabd in your poe

[Andresvmb]

testing a vanilla claim seems straightforwardly the best use of the role and yr rationale seems highly questionable

like testing etine only works if etine is exactly a mafia goon, but hypothetically etine could be a mafia PR who wouldn't receive the fruit either

id figure if i had that role id want to target someone who might actually confirm me as FV

Yeah bloodhail call it whatever you want it’s what happened. I don’t care to have someone confirm me as Fruit Vendor in this game because I’m bleeding Town. If I thought I was near execution or people couldn’t read me properly then perhaps I would have played it more conservatively.

[Andresvmb]

Btw, mechanically, has anybody seen a neighborhood with two Scum traitors that can communicate with each other?

I checked the archive and the answer is no. And unless there’s some sort of troll job going on, Nero probably isn’t a Serial Killer and a Neighbor at the same time. Which really only leaves Mafia Doctor, which I don’t really think is a possibility. So I’ll lay off there I guess.

[Almost50]

whys cabd in your poe

You mean; other than the scummiest voting record of all?? And the total lack of impact/presence? Sure. Both his read lists look like ones I would have posted as Scum. (409 & 1537)

[Andresvmb]

There were a few games with a Scum Neighbor to a Scum Traitor Neighbor funny enough, but since I don’t believe Rathe’s result was tampered with (and I believe that would be outside of the guidelines for Normal games), and they got a result of No Gun, I would assume it’s just correct then.

[Andresvmb]

So @DGB maybe stop voting for Nero and put a more useful vote down.

[bloodhail]

whys cabd in your poe

You mean; other than the scummiest voting record of all?? And the total lack of impact/presence? Sure. Both his read lists look like ones I would have posted as Scum. (409 & 1537)

wouldnt you feel like hed have more presence as scum

[samantha97]

my experience with cabd town was as a replace-in (me) to a micro that he fakeclaimed eod1 in as a cop which made me think he was mafia

I don't think he was inactive until near the end of... day 2, but this is all off memory

actually I just looked it up and he had a lot of posts for a 9 player, not that his irl obligations couldn't be different for this game https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85676

mainly I just think it's not possible he didn't know he was lynched day 1 and I'm sure there's at least 1 fake vanilla, plus rathe read to compensate for dkkoba misread lol

but also like I said yesterday, I don't see andres + bloodhail coexisting as town with their roles, but maybe someone else can explain why they would

[bloodhail]

I don't see andres + bloodhail coexisting as town with their roles,

thats what i came around to and i dont like his claimed targets

[Vasex]

ugh
im not mafia, im vt
i understand my situation with few serious mistakes - i thought xp and std are scums; and i helped mafia t3 much on the first day, thinking he is town; maybe i have more mistakes idk
i understand that im an easy target now
i almost didnt read the previous day, and right now i'll try to read this day
then maybe i'll read the previous day too

this is so stupid explanation but i had too much work on this week and other game, and im still playing it right now

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Anastasia

I can’t believe I’m succumbing to this, but that come to Jesus post by Vasex is hard to ignore. Oy.