Micro 1010: Divide and Conquer: Round 2 - Game Over!

[Vanderscamp]

Anyway, i'm kinda tired of seeing comments about how changing my votes is scummy when that's probably the most town indicative thing you'd find about my play if you knew anything about my general playstyle as both alignments.

I think in general, changing votes and being uncertain is a town indicator

[Vanderscamp]

I am also struggling to figure out your mindset for pushing Marci earlier. Like you did not even do it because you scum read her

Going through ISO's with GL conf!town, soul townread on Lukewarm, and Bingle putting paranoia on Hopkirk we're left with this in a Bingle!scum world.
Bingle -> {Dunnstral}{Marcistar}{Vanderscamp}
Most emphasis on Marcistar and Vanderscamp i think.

Assuming N_M scum we're left with:

Dunnstral
Hopkirk
marcistar

Vanderscamp's ISO doesn't lend itself well to being allied with N_M imo. Ping me if you disagree.

VOTE: Marcistar
This feels the most likely to be scum cumulatively when looking at both worlds.

Like your vote on her, that almost led to her being pushed out Day 1, came simply because she was on both lists (even though you also had Dunn on both lists), and that does not feel like a genuine reason someone pushes Marci out given your conversation with her where you talked her into playing this game with you.

Spoiler:

can u come play with me somewhere else im too shy to go alone without knowing anyone ;-;

If you want, you can sign up to one of the games i'm already signed up for.
I'm going to play in this micro 9 player setup:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 5&start=64

The 9 player micro i posted is really easy to understand.

I quite honestly expected all 3 of us to be buddying a bit, especially for the first half of Day 1, seeing as how you and I both were trying to help her branch out. But instead, your approach to her was try and push her out over a very weak PoE.

Like, if you had come out with a strong scum case on her, I would have understood. But your exact reasoning boiled down to "well, Marci is on both lists" when Dunn was sitting there on both lists too. Which makes me think that you were mostly thinking "which of these would be easier to push out atm?"

I think I am more convinced in my scum read on you then I am in my scum read on Hopkirk

VOTE: Norwee

I think Norwegian is the towniest of the people in the small pool, I think bingle has done several scummy things for the reasons Norwegian and I talked about recently, and n_m is playing very differently from his recent town game I played with him.

[Bingle]

And like Marcistar said, apparently Bingle thought it was a 50/50% chance either N_M or me could be scum with Hopkirk, his pet scumread. But now he is 100% sure it’s me and Hopkirk to the extent he will quickhammer someone he townreads just to eliminate us? Thst’s some scummy garbage.
VOTE: Bingle

I agree with this

I'd like to hear what bingle thinks is different about me this game vs last game which would justify him being willing to hammer me here.

I’m townreading all of Dunn/Marci/GL/Luke. People are aggressively ignoring how obvscum norwee and hopkirk are.

If I have to lim you to get norwee/hopkirk, so be it.

[Bingle]

This is just how i play Lukewarm. I change my vote a lot.

Change my vote a lot =\= shade literally everyone who is willing to vote someone provably pushing a false narrative, but nice try.

[Bingle]

since you didn't bother quoting the actual problem i had. 376 DOES NOT MENTION THE WORD ANALYSIS. it's about lack of direction/scumreads compared to the first. you can tell because that's the words i used when i was talking about it. have a look back to 376 and please explain how i'm talking about lack of analysis in that post. the three posts you quoted literally demonstrate my point. there's no clear scumreads there/it feels like they haven't started looking. don't try and put words in my mouth that drastically alter the meaning of what i'm saying

It's really cool that 376 doesn't mention analysis. You know what else doesn't mention analysis? 402. It's kinda like you made that whole bit about me putting words into your mouth up by putting words in my mouth, when literally the whole point of 402 was showing the posts you were comparing side by side because you were making shit up in the first place.

I also think it's rather fun that Hopkirk is accusing me of scumreading him as a chainsaw defense of Luke when A) my scumread of him predates his Luke case and B) I specifically said that the push felt like a distraction from my push on him.

i did note that he didn't express any difference between joining those and starting off in this game. obviously there's going to be a pronounced difference there, but i think it would have been reasonable to mention that just now when i asked about whether his play was difference.

Acknowledging that the reason is shit doesn't somehow make the reason not shit.

How the fuck are 118, 120, and 136 showing less of a direction or scumreads? He's literally calling for more content, poking two people (N_M and Norwee) for strange behavior and saying he thinks they might be scum for it, and explaining a townread.

[Not_Mafia]

Bingle getting desperate

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle wasn’t this aggressive in the previous game.

[Bingle]

Bingle was still working on a confident scumread last game, but thank you for illustrating his point.

[Bingle]

Bingle getting desperate

When have I ever been desperate in a scum game? This, cow friend, is confidence.

[Hopkirk]

Does anyone have a read on dunnstral? It's hard to sort with this little content.

@dunn - you've seen my last two scumgames from the town side and the scumside. You're scumreading me?

[Bingle]

Hey Hopkirk.

since you didn't bother quoting the actual problem i had. 376 DOES NOT MENTION THE WORD ANALYSIS. it's about lack of direction/scumreads compared to the first. you can tell because that's the words i used when i was talking about it. have a look back to 376 and please explain how i'm talking about lack of analysis in that post. the three posts you quoted literally demonstrate my point. there's no clear scumreads there/it feels like they haven't started looking. don't try and put words in my mouth that drastically alter the meaning of what i'm saying

It's really cool that 376 doesn't mention analysis. You know what else doesn't mention analysis? 402. It's kinda like you made that whole bit about me putting words into your mouth up by putting words in my mouth, when literally the whole point of 402 was showing the posts you were comparing side by side because you were making shit up in the first place.

I also think it's rather fun that Hopkirk is accusing me of scumreading him as a chainsaw defense of Luke when A) my scumread of him predates his Luke case and B) I specifically said that the push felt like a distraction from my push on him.

i did note that he didn't express any difference between joining those and starting off in this game. obviously there's going to be a pronounced difference there, but i think it would have been reasonable to mention that just now when i asked about whether his play was difference.

Acknowledging that the reason is shit doesn't somehow make the reason not shit.

How the fuck are 118, 120, and 136 showing less of a direction or scumreads? He's literally calling for more content, poking two people (N_M and Norwee) for strange behavior and saying he thinks they might be scum for it, and explaining a townread.

[Bingle]

And don't you find it weird how incredibly confident Bingle is that i'm Hopkirk's scum partner? I think Bingle is rather scummy, and yet i have no strong read for who his partner would be. I find that early confidence incredibly scummy given that he hasn't even clarified why he believes it's me Hopkirk other than some vague shit like "nOrWeE dOeSn'T sCuMrEaD HoPkIrK!"

The read on Norwee is recent. I've been solidly pushing Hopkirk for a while now and the only real content Norwee has had has been to shade that push (and literally everyone willing to give it the time of day) and jump on every possible cw.

Meanwhile, I posted about how Hopkirk has accused me of misrepping him by putting words in his mouth by putting words in my mouth, making shit up to shitpush Luke exactly after I started pushing him, and an incredibly political stance on Norwee. I even brought up that I didn't want to have it buried, and let's look at the people who have actually engaged with it?

But Norwee jumps on to GL's wagon without engaging with my push because "WE NEED CONTENT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE IT BECAUSE READS!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yawn

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does anyone have a read on dunnstral? It's hard to sort with this little content.

Dunnstral has almost always very low content and i don't think it's particularly alignment indicative, which makes it a tough read. I've certainly not specialized in the difference between their town or scumgame.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry N_M. It looks pretty obvious by now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle/Lukewarm or it's Bingle/Dunn.
I don't see any other possible combination.

[Bingle]

Yawn

I agree that your lies are boring!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm going to ignore Bingle from this point onwards.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Please vote him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

if he flips town i will gladly take the elimination tommorow. Just give me this one thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yawn

I agree that your lies are boring!

Like take a look at Bingles analytical and cold posts in the previous game VS his laughably confrontational and agressive posts here. It's like night and day, he's scum.

[Bingle]

And... we’ve reached the part of the game where norwee tries to bury his provable lies under the weight of spam. Nice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh look, you're pulling a FL where you're pushing the narrative that apparently i tryhard as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seriously, give it a shot.

Bingle ISO previous game:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12694748

Bingle ISO this game:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12752206

[NorwegianboyEE]

And like Marcistar said, apparently Bingle thought it was a 50/50% chance either N_M or me could be scum with Hopkirk, his pet scumread. But now he is 100% sure it’s me and Hopkirk to the extent he will quickhammer someone he townreads just to eliminate us? Thst’s some scummy garbage.
VOTE: Bingle

I agree with this

I'd like to hear what bingle thinks is different about me this game vs last game which would justify him being willing to hammer me here.

I’m townreading all of Dunn/Marci/GL/Luke. People are aggressively ignoring how obvscum norwee and hopkirk are.

If I have to lim you to get norwee/hopkirk, so be it.

Yawn

I agree that your lies are boring!

And... we’ve reached the part of the game where norwee tries to bury his provable lies under the weight of spam. Nice.

These are posts Bingle thinks makes him look town.