Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[yessiree]

VC 1.5

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Vex Vience (2)

- LlamaFluff, Bambi Jay

T-Bone (1)

- Bingle

Bingle (1)

- Vex Vience

Kerset (1)

- Klick

Bambi Jay (1)

- RationalMadman

Note Voting - T-Bone, Anastasia, Kerset

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

Note: Kerset voted an invalid target, the vote is deemed an unvote.

[RationalMadman]

^ that's a joke in case you misread me, however I do think it had an undertone to make me less confident in my read on Bambi.

[RationalMadman]

Well I meant my previous post not the vote count

[Bambi Jay]

Nice slip, you admitted you know I am Town this game but therefore my read is correct.

Did you forget that that only matters if you aren't just this dense normally? So far it seems literally apart of you.

Actually post me a scum game of yours. I have to know.

[RationalMadman]

@mod this is an insult ^

[Bambi Jay]

I see you didn't post a scum game for me to read. And it's a very tame insult.

[yessiree]

Prodding Anastasia

[Anastasia]

Apologies for my absence. I haven't been feeling quite like myself this weekend and I'll try to make some time for this tonight.

[Kerset]

I missed you ana

[Bambi Jay]

I missed you more.

Please save your lover pair if your town because Rational is making me really wanna elim him and you'll die in the crossfire. Unless your scum of course, then go back to lurking.

[Anastasia]

I missed you ana

I missed you more.

It feels like the world has conspired against us

Tell me you are aligned with the town and I'll be yours, heart and soul.

[Bingle]

I see you didn't post a scum game for me to read. And it's a very tame insult.

Tame or not, let’s try to not insult people. Except Bingle, that guy is fucking awful.

[Bingle]

I see you didn't post a scum game for me to read. And it's a very tame insult.

Searching RM’s topics, he doesn’t seem to have a recent scum game to link.

The only game I can remember for sure playing with scumhim he was far worse, but I’m also inclined to believe him when he says he’s improved over the years.

[Bingle]

Tell me you are aligned with the town and I'll be yours, heart and soul.

Kerset is town aligned and has been locked away by the scum team. We need your help solving the VTs to mount a rescue.

[Bingle]

The only game I can remember for sure playing with scumhim he was far worse, but I’m also inclined to believe him when he says he’s improved over the years.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=33257

[LlamaFluff]

i don't think i've ever played with bambi before. i think they were in one of my games a long time ago, but i barely remember that. wrt to reading bambi, i just need the game to play out more.
additionally, i know my own limits as a player, and i feel like i have a relatively firm idea of what your playstyle is, which is why i feel comfortable making these calls atm.

So how do you know you can read Bambi? Seems convenient to claim that you cant read me as a vote reason and then have nothing to back up being able to read Bambi correctly as not. Also does this mean its impossible for you to read Bambi without me being dead? Because thats not a read, that a PoE argument that you just need to come up with reasons for when presenting.

Just home from from second shot, so there is a chance I go silent for next 24-48 hours if I dont react well.

[RationalMadman]

I would like to remind everyone that we must vote someone or interrogate.

I think today is Bambi vs Llama but now some are saying Vex. Then, in lovers, I have Bingle as scum but his partner as Town. Klick and Tbone nulltell all game.

Very difficult but Bambi is my choice still, I don't follow the logic of her reads.

[Bingle]

I think today is Bambi vs Llama but now some are saying Vex.

What do you think of the Vex/LF back and forth?

[LlamaFluff]

I would like to remind everyone that we must vote someone or interrogate.

I think today is Bambi vs Llama but now some are saying Vex. Then, in lovers, I have Bingle as scum but his partner as Town. Klick and Tbone nulltell all game.

Very difficult but Bambi is my choice still, I don't follow the logic of her reads.

So what is your thought then on Vex seemingly to prefer a vote on me when they claim that I cant be read, but Bambi can? Do you agree that it seems that if Vex is town, the correct approach would be to read Bambi and then use that to form an opinion on me? Otherwise its just voting town out first followed by saying "By PoE Bambi is scum". Thats not reading Bambi.

[Bingle]

Personally, I think LF comes across as super town, but I may be falling into a personality read there.

[Bingle]

So what is your thought then on Vex seemingly to prefer a vote on me when they claim that I cant be read, but Bambi can? Do you agree that it seems that if Vex is town, the correct approach would be to read Bambi and then use that to form an opinion on me? Otherwise its just voting town out first followed by saying "By PoE Bambi is scum". Thats not reading Bambi.

Ha. Ninja'd.

[Vex Vience]

@llama - bingle has literally said bambi’s playstyle is 70% mine.
bambi has also agreed to this.
why *wouldn’t* i be able to read someone whose playstyle is very similar to mine?

[LlamaFluff]

@llama - bingle has literally said bambi’s playstyle is 70% mine.
bambi has also agreed to this.
why *wouldn’t* i be able to read someone whose playstyle is very similar to mine?

So you are basing your ability to read a player off nothing more than two people saying that they see you as similar? That just doesnt make sense to me for a variety of options as people play differently as town, as scum, as PRs, when they have town reads, when they have scum reads... everything factors into it (which is to me why "meta" is more of a general gauge of how competent a players is expected to be). Plus just haven played a lot under an alt, to me there is a lot of minor tweaks that internally get made for how you view things that damages ability to be correctly read as styles are not entirely the same to start.

Also...

3) bambi literally admitted to shitposting because she knew i would be able to clear ourselves, so last game is an inaccurate representation of her meta.

Doesnt this mean you *cant* read them well, or at least that if they want they can entirely change how they play a game? If they can easily break their own meta and you agree to it seems to invalidate part of your own argument.

Either way, why not try and just read Bambi still and then use that to read me?

[RationalMadman]

I would like to remind everyone that we must vote someone or interrogate.

I think today is Bambi vs Llama but now some are saying Vex. Then, in lovers, I have Bingle as scum but his partner as Town. Klick and Tbone nulltell all game.

Very difficult but Bambi is my choice still, I don't follow the logic of her reads.

So what is your thought then on Vex seemingly to prefer a vote on me when they claim that I cant be read, but Bambi can? Do you agree that it seems that if Vex is town, the correct approach would be to read Bambi and then use that to form an opinion on me? Otherwise its just voting town out first followed by saying "By PoE Bambi is scum". Thats not reading Bambi.

Vex has faulty reasoning of many kinds. I have known that from the start of last game through to now. I don't scumread the faulty reasoning because if Vex is scum here it's easier to pretend to go with the vote I want on Bambi than go for you. I don't really understand Vex's reasoning at all in almost any situation, I just roll with it.

In fact, I don't even know if anyone in this game in particular other than myself has properly reasoned their reads except for Kerset, which is why I am severely struggling to understand which lover pair is scummier as I expect far more from Town Bingle than what's happened here but Kerset is possibly the single Towniest Lover excluding myself. I can follow Kerset's reads and question-lines very well. Everyone else makes no sense to me, Vex included.

[RationalMadman]

Not possibly* definitely