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I would not even advise sticking around for questions because at most one of these posters is town and the others are scum taking advantage of you and your current state. I am not terribly worried about getting in DC's way even if he is town here.
I feel strongly enough about stopping this that I broke my rule about not posting, but this will be my final time for the day.- Disaster Cartel
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okay but when u come back next time can u explain what u mean hereIn post 3525, Iverson wrote:I am not terribly worried about getting in DC's way even if he is town here.- Infinity 324
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@DC In the you-town mom-scum world from cakez's PoV, I was the scum. I was exaggerating when I made that post, but the gist of it is that cakez should expect scum to have strong opinions about the elim only if one is scum and one is town. If either skitt or I is scum from cakez's PoV, then that heavily implies mom-scum/you town or vice versa.- Disaster Cartel
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okay but you also have posts like this which make it sound a lot like that that's not you just referring to how you think cakez should be seeing the game, but that it's also your perspective that only one of me/mom is scumIn post 3328, Infinity 324 wrote:I can't see a viable third partner for DC/mom
and then there's also your complete flipflop on skitt from skitt!town to skitt!scum for pushing mom and defending me from being limmed yesterday only to... completely jettison your (VFT, DC) theory from yesterday and to go so far as to say you'd vote yourself if that's what skitt wants
like that doesn't make any sense to me as a progression- Infinity 324
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For the record my posting was not to push Infinity
Part of why I feel like she feels so overwhelmed regardless of alignment is noones done shit to try and kill anyone but her today and yeah we just opened but all anyone’s done re me is mild sus
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The way I make sense of the game in the late game is a very team-focused perspective. The way I saw it, yesterday the most likely possibilities were:In post 3528, Disaster Cartel wrote:
okay but you also have posts like this which make it sound a lot like that that's not you just referring to how you think cakez should be seeing the game, but that it's also your perspective that only one of me/mom is scumIn post 3328, Infinity 324 wrote:I can't see a viable third partner for DC/mom
and then there's also your complete flipflop on skitt from skitt!town to skitt!scum for pushing mom and defending me from being limmed yesterday only to... completely jettison your (VFT, DC) theory from yesterday and to go so far as to say you'd vote yourself if that's what skitt wants
like that doesn't make any sense to me as a progression
1. 3 scum in {notsci, bork, you, VFT}, most likely you, bork, VFT
2. You/mom/x
3. Many other possibilities could go here and I wasn't sure which was most likely. I was hoping someone else would propose a different solve, but I couldn't see one. However, all these possibilities combined were probably more likely than #2.
For obvious reasons mom flipping scum made #1 impossible and #2 more likely. I still can't think of a third option that makes a lot of sense (still open to possibilities here). To me, skitt is basically confirmed town because strongarming a bus when mom was not getting limmed otherwise seems insane to me. It's more likely if you're also scum, yes, but it's still unlikely. I also thought your interactions with lilith early on were unlikely to be scum theater, which I considered yesterday but it wasn't enough to outweigh my other evidence. Now it is.
That's part of it, yes, but a bigger part is that you're the biggest other option and I don't actually believe you're scum atm. A convincing case on you could help, sure, but I don't believe you've played like scum this game even if you are. My heart just isn't in pushing you, and going against consensus to push someone else when I feel like I'm so likely to be wrong again is not really something I'm interested in doing right now. Another part of it is that I can't argue against people scumreading me for consistently pushing town over scum, and being pushed for that when I'm already so upset with myself over it is pretty unpleasant. Obviously that's kinda just part of the game but it's certainly not my favorite part.In post 3530, notscience wrote:For the record my posting was not to push Infinity
Part of why I feel like she feels so overwhelmed regardless of alignment is noones done shit to try and kill anyone but her today and yeah we just opened but all anyone’s done re me is mild sus
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Can you lay out an in depth explanation of why skitter and menas interactions aren’t what you expected? It might help people see what you see.
It would also beg the question why would skitter stick her neck out to save one scum partner by bussing the otherShowSTRIKE HARD
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Look I’ve got a really busy day tomorrow but if you’re town, we need to figure out who the fu k is scum because it’s not us. You have a lot of different things pointing your direction, and I’m still leaning scum but I’m willing to help hash stuff out snd be your sound board. But I need you to help me help you.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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To be very clear, I don't believe this is what happened. I'm pretty sure skitter is town here. The question is mostly how skitter sorted mena wrong, and I don't have a good answer besides "skitter is human".In post 3533, notscience wrote:It would also beg the question why would skitter stick her neck out to save one scum partner by bussing the other- Infinity 324
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I can quote some of skitt/mena's interactions, but it comes down to very little direct engagement compared to what I expect from them. This was definitely not the main reason I suspected they were partners (low activity from mena helps explain it) but it was a small contributing factor.- notscience
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I’ve got to head to bed I have finals in the morning snd work at night.
But please, if you’re town, try to show me your thought process.
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Interesting. I’m not super up to date with their history so I don’t know all that back story but I really don’t buy the all of the original townbloc is town angle
It’s just so crazy to me
Ninja- if you can show some examples from here and from there to highlight that would be ideal.
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I looked back at mena/skitt interactions briefly, and there's not much to quote because it's more what isn't there than what is there. The mena/skitt interactions in PyP were the type of stuff to make me townlock both of them and not look back.- Infinity 324
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A lot of that is probably because they haven't been SRing each other, but I feel like from mena's side he hasn't put in as much effort trying to sort skitt as I'd expect.
This isn't even the towniest part of the interactions from PyP but I don't feel like finding the rest atm, lmk if you need more.
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Prism, VFT, cakez, notsci, (big gap) DC
I'm very aware of the irony of trying to argue that I'm right and skitter is wrong after d3, but if I wasn't doing that I'm not sure if I could make a post that would qualify as scumhunting. I shouldn't give up just because I was wrong a few times, and I'm sorry I tried to do so.- Infinity 324
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Fmpov it looks tough for notsci to convince me to vote ex. cakez here, but maybe that's because I'm not aware enough of how I come off.
Top 3 of my T -> S list are very interchangeable. Specifically, those 3 are in order of most to least likely to surprise me as scum, so maybe scum!prism played d3 in a way that I really didn't expect because I just don't know his scumgame well enough. Really doubt that though.- fferyllt
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On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologistIdic- Disaster Cartel
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(1) okay, why? this solve just seems so collectively off and doesn't really fit with the gamestate yesterday at all. not to mention, from what I can see you spent far more time trying to undercut skitter than trying to focus on bork, and I think the simplest explanation for that is that bork was amenable to voting me and skitt very clearly wasn't going to. I think you wanted to win yesterday, and the simplest way to do that was to try to undermine my key supporter and disregard... basically anything elseIn post 3532, Infinity 324 wrote:
The way I make sense of the game in the late game is a very team-focused perspective. The way I saw it, yesterday the most likely possibilities were:In post 3528, Disaster Cartel wrote:
okay but you also have posts like this which make it sound a lot like that that's not you just referring to how you think cakez should be seeing the game, but that it's also your perspective that only one of me/mom is scumIn post 3328, Infinity 324 wrote:I can't see a viable third partner for DC/mom
and then there's also your complete flipflop on skitt from skitt!town to skitt!scum for pushing mom and defending me from being limmed yesterday only to... completely jettison your (VFT, DC) theory from yesterday and to go so far as to say you'd vote yourself if that's what skitt wants
like that doesn't make any sense to me as a progression
1. 1 3 scum in {notsci, bork, you, VFT}, most likely you, bork, VFT
2. 2 You/mom/x
3. 3 Many other possibilities could go here and I wasn't sure which was most likely. I was hoping someone else would propose a different solve, but I couldn't see one. However, all these possibilities combined were probably more likely than #2.
For obvious reasons mom flipping scum made #1 impossible and #2 more likely. I still can't think of a third option that makes a lot of sense (still open to possibilities here). To me, skitt is basically confirmed town because strongarming a bus when mom was not getting limmed otherwise seems insane to me. It's more likely if you're also scum, yes, but it's still unlikely. 4 I also thought your interactions with lilith early on were unlikely to be scum theater, which I considered yesterday but it wasn't enough to outweigh my other evidence. Now it is.
That's part of it, yes, but a bigger part is that you're the biggest other option and I don't actually believe you're scum atm. A convincing case on you could help, sure, but I don't believe you've played like scum this game even if you are. 5 My heart just isn't in pushing you, and 6 going against consensus to push someone else when I feel like I'm so likely to be wrong again is not really something I'm interested in doing right now. Another part of it is that I can't argue against people scumreading me for consistently pushing town over scum, and 7 being pushed for that when I'm already so upset with myself over it is pretty unpleasant. Obviously that's kinda just part of the game but it's certainly not my favorite part.In post 3530, notscience wrote:For the record my posting was not to push Infinity
Part of why I feel like she feels so overwhelmed regardless of alignment is noones done shit to try and kill anyone but her today and yeah we just opened but all anyone’s done re me is mild sus
A case would help
(2) which leads me into this -- I've cited two posts of yours above from yesterday where you said that you didn't think mom/me were teamed together because of the way the day unfolded. if this was a genuine thought process, I don't think you come in today and after briefly AtEing and voting notsci, switching back to me bc you think I'm the easiest miselim. basically the only person who really TRs me is skitt and bork kinda did. so from scum!you perspective pushing me makes a lot of sense, but from town!you perspective you'd have to be totally disregarding your process from yesterday which doesn't follow because
(3) there's no real reason you provide why if yesterday "all these possibilities were more likely than #2" things are now different. again, I think if you're town you try to reevaluate given that you'd have been consistently wrong throughout the game. instead, you're trying to have your cake and eat it too by going "oh man my reads have been really bad whoopsie... but btw it *is* still mena, and oh, don't worry about the fact that I was trying to push him yesterday vs the confscum flip we have on mom". it's like you're not actually trying to generate any possibilities for your supposed scenario #3, you're just trying to bend things back around to me being scum
(4) this also just... doesn't really follow? how has the likelihood of my doing scum theatre different today vs yesterday?
(5) this feels like you're trying to walk back on notsci bc you don't think he's the most likely slot you can wagon today, and because you think he's less of a threat at this point than I am. when notsci entered he was saying "it's me or infinity" and you were perfectly happy to go after him. now he's shown like any doubt you're trying to bring him on board with you and switching your target back to me, despite this not being consistent with your supposed earlier thought processes
(6) but you just said earlier that you think one of your biggest mistakes this game was NOT going against consensus earlier in the game. why is this different now? you were making an issue of how going with consensus has led to us to here and that you wish you hadn't, only now you're switching back to "well, guess I'd better go with consensus bc I don't wanna be wrong again"
(7) this is just more AtE in the exact same vein of "oh no we're so lost I'll vote myself if skitt wants me to :sad face:" which, exactly as I said, you had no intention of ever doing- Disaster Cartel
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this feels a lot like you realised that your approach of trying to lump us together yesterday didn't work and so you're switching tack to trying to just undermine skitt (the only person other than me to have hard pushed scum, I might add) instead of trying to actually sell us as a teamIn post 3536, Infinity 324 wrote:
To be very clear, I don't believe this is what happened. I'm pretty sure skitter is town here. The question is mostly how skitter sorted mena wrong, and I don't have a good answer besides "skitter is human".In post 3533, notscience wrote:It would also beg the question why would skitter stick her neck out to save one scum partner by bussing the other
only there's a very large difference here which is that skitt is in a hydra, something you've been totally neglecting as part of this. I don't *need* to sort skitter head if she's paired with someone else who I have a very good read rate on, and lili is someone who after reading her wrong in our first couple of games, I'm p sure I've read correctly in every game we've had since. so no, I haven't had as much direct engagement or paranoia about skitt as normal bc since lili got pissed off me on D1 I've been pretty certain that she's town because I don't think she chooses to actively guilt me like that over getting pissed off with her as scum. if she did then she's more ruthless than I had her pegged for, but I really doubt thatIn post 3537, Infinity 324 wrote:I can quote some of skitt/mena's interactions, but it comes down to very little direct engagement compared to what I expect from them. This was definitely not the main reason I suspected they were partners (low activity from mena helps explain it) but it was a small contributing factor.- Disaster Cartel
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she said, trying to convince everyone DC was scumIn post 3541, Infinity 324 wrote:This is not meant to convince anyone that DC is scum here, it's mostly just to show my thought process.Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
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