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[fferyllt]

Vote Count 4-4

-- Abduzeedo

Infinity 324

(1): Disaster Cartel

Disaster Cartel

(1): Infinity 324

Not Voting

(4): SirCakez, notscience, Venus Fly Trap, Iverson

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: May 30, Noon US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-05-30 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- skitter30 head of Venus Fly Trap is v/la until May 18
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[Disaster Cartel]

honestly trying to find a solve without you in it would drive me insane atp.

I mean, I'm pretty sure you're just scum and that again, we're the easiest push here for you so I get it in that sense

but idk, I feel like from past experiences with town!you you don't just lock down into a tunnel like this for two days (or more?) straight especially as the other bits of information I think would be making you reevaluate and reconsider

[Disaster Cartel]

goddamn it ffery

do you have some sort of script helping you out here with notifications or something

[Infinity 324]

Obviously I don't think my townreads are for flimsy reasons, yesterday I went through my reasons for TRing prism. I'm weighting my salsa read a decent amount here, which makes me more comfortable having a strong TR on a strong scum player.

feel like ur kind of sidestepping notsci here but w/e. okay, I'll go back through your posts yesterday again on prism!slot but like... idk, I don't think salsa was towny at all, and even if u think she was I'm confused by how you think it was to such an extent that prism just gets a pass

I'm sidestepping notsci because even if notsci is scum, unless one of my other 3 TRs is scum you still have to be scum here.

I don't think prism's day 3 play makes any sense from scum

like again to stress this, but from what I've read of prism's D3 it just doesn't make a lot of sense overall not specifically doesn't make sense from scum

and someone (I wanna say maybe unwnd or Shirou) made a point to me a lil while back that I've kinda taken to heart that if someone's play just makes no sense as either alignment and you really don't get it, that makes them scummier not townier

Yeah I disagree from a theory perspective, people are weird and just do weird things sometimes, whereas even if scum aren't specifically trying to avoid weirdness they often will because their play is crafted. I think prism's play d3 makes some amount of sense from town who is frustrated with how the game played out, and of course that doesn't explain everything but the scum perspective seems so unlikely that it's good enough for me.

[Disaster Cartel]

idk infinity like

you just feel very agenda-y this game and especially today and yesterday

and it's like there's a lot of little tings that just feel super off

like yesterday you lolcatting at us when we weren't around and being like "lol I don't need to convince you of anything ur scum let's lim DC" and then today the way you're engaging with me feels a lot more like it's to try and make yourself look towny than it is because you really have that much interest in engaging with me at all, but more like you can't just push the lim on us by lolcatting again so you have to make it look like it's kind of considered and thought out

[Infinity 324]

me both being very loud and very wrong

I don't think you were particularly loud since like... D1? so I kinda think you're assigning yourself an outsize weighting here

That's possible, point still stands. I at least was trying to be loud on d2 but maybe people weren't really listening to me at that point.

[Disaster Cartel]

I'm sidestepping notsci because even if notsci is scum, unless one of my other 3 TRs is scum you still have to be scum here.

ehh, I guess this kind of makes sense or is at least NAI

[Infinity 324]

If you're town mena I don't really blame you for being wrong on me here. I do sort of wish you'd take into account our previous experiences a bit more (specifically, my play tends to be a lot more all over the place as town and you often have issues with that), but /shrug

[Disaster Cartel]

Yeah I disagree from a theory perspective, people are weird and just do weird things sometimes, whereas even if scum aren't specifically trying to avoid weirdness they often will because their play is crafted. I think prism's play d3 makes some amount of sense from town who is frustrated with how the game played out, and of course that doesn't explain everything but the scum perspective seems so unlikely that it's good enough for me.

I mean, I'm not saying that weird=scum that's much too simplistic. I'm saying if you really cannot fathom why someone is playing a certain way or how it benefits them as either alignment, that person ends up flipping scum more often than not. I can find examples from some of my recent games if you like, bc I've only started adhering to this position because I think it is actually significantly better than rand. if you think prism's play makes sense as frustrated town that's not what I'm talking about -- my point is that /to me/ I don't get prism's play *at all* on D3. again, this might be because he was posting stupidly wordy catchup posts that were melting my poor exhausted skull when I was trying to read them on the bus moving shit from my old flat to my new one but honestly the once through pass I've given them today hasn't helped matters a lot, and I do think that's +scum for him. but like skitter and cakez both seem to disagree, so I would like someone to talk me through what's towny about them. if you wanna talk through how they make sense as frustrated town but

don't

as frustrated scum, go for it (or if I missed that in your posts from yesterday, point me the right way) but I think the frustration aspect is NAI and that means looking at them from the angle of what they're wanting to accomplish within the game and that doesn't really make sense to me or isn't something I can grasp

[Disaster Cartel]

If you're town mena I don't really blame you for being wrong on me here. I do sort of wish you'd take into account our previous experiences a bit more (specifically, my play tends to be a lot more all over the place as town and you often have issues with that), but /shrug

I am town and if this were early game I'd say that you have a point

but I feel like the way you've engaged with our slot but more specifically me just feels so deeply wrong that I'm not sure how I'm meant to walk back from it. there are just too many inconsistencies with your thought processes, the way you've been playing all game has been very +scum, and I feel like the way you've been playing from yesterday into today is just very in line with what scum would want to do

I could also flip this back on you, which is that I think you've more often been wrong on me when you've thought I was scum and I've been town and I think when I've been scum against you (not sure if it was just that one game or if there are more) you've normally thought I was scum, but the fact you also don't seem to have considered that feels ehhh to me

[Disaster Cartel]

but maybe people weren't really listening to me at that point.

imagine being me this game

[Disaster Cartel]

I haven't had a game this cassandra-esque in fucking ages

[notscience]

My laptop is charging so I can type my English paper so I’m around a bit if anyone has anything for me

I got an a on my business final but b for the class and I was so close

[Infinity 324]

A big part of it is that I don't think scum would be frustrated in his position. Like, he's about to win. It could've been fake, yes, but I just don't see a reason for it. Just push town, say some things about "oh this sucks town's losing" or w/e, and be done with it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think it makes some sense from frustrated town because frustrated town can look like a lot of different things (I believe prism would be especially idiosyncratic with his frustration but I'm not sure). "This makes some (small) level of sense from town" is my baseline for pretty much everything because I've seen wildly unexpected things from town and much less so from scum. So I'd like to see those links yeah. The one exception is when scum is about to get limmed, they do weird things because that's their only shot, but when scum is about to win that's when I expect them to be the most predictable.

[Infinity 324]

I could also flip this back on you, which is that I think you've more often been wrong on me when you've thought I was scum and I've been town and I think when I've been scum against you (not sure if it was just that one game or if there are more) you've normally thought I was scum, but the fact you also don't seem to have considered that feels ehhh to me

I know you hate this, but that's cause the read is PoE. I've tried specifically to avoid having to read you lol, and tried to focus on ydrasse (I think she'd be posting here as town!) Ultimately, I wish I knew which of my townreads I should be focusing on re-evaluating but on the surface given all the ways I know how to scumhunt I don't see 2 of {prism, cakez, VFT, notsci} being scum.

[SirCakez]

can you point me at which ones specifically?

bc again, what mostly Iverson's posting made my brain feel like it was mush yesterday and when I tried going back through some of his ISO earlier today my main reaction was just "wtf" more than anything else

Prism I am not dealing with you in a way that is throwing you away in my scum pile and positioning every future interaction w/ you as a way to get your partners. I feel like that should be obvious from my demeanor, but if I need to unvote to get you to get past that, then I am willing to. If you're town you're a huge asset to me.

The issue here is that while I am willing to play on as town, I am not willing to be led on for days at a time. When you make a second vote in this day, you are prepared for it to be blitzed. I'm okay with that.

I'm not as enthused about the idea of spending 40 hours on the game this week just in the hopes that you don't vote me. I'm not going to do it. You get an hour a day. I encouraged you to think of things that could plausibly get you to unvote, because again I took this as a willingness to call it rather than spinelessly begging me to burn a week of my life and emotional energy hoping that you grant mercy. I'm glad you unvoted but I wanted to be very clear about what exactly you should be expecting from me at this point in the game.

ie. If you are 90%+ sure you're going to vote me, stop wasting all of our time and do it. I can give what I owe the other players, and I can put the game down if we want, but I'm not burning myself up like a candle so you can navelgaze.

As for you and VFT, I could spend days writing about how my thinking changed between these two points in time. I've already written that the way I was playing around VFT was obviously gamelosing and I needed to change. Even disregarding those, your position is wildly different as someone who is almost certainly town to me whereas I was actively scumreading VFT at the time, although later I was hoping to cement the gladiate (before again deciding to swap playstyle)

On another level, I am just uncomfortable with this game in its entirety, even without the time/energy concern.

I am firm in presenting my opinions but the only things personal about yesterday were in going through the motions of social niceties to at least lose graciously.

Instead we can't even get that much, it turned into some interpersonal drama of a nonexistent attack where you somehow thought a short speech about how valuable I was and how you weren't throwing me away in the scum pile (and therefore I should try hard for your sake). The first part makes me extremely uncomfortable, I am just another player, I am tired of paying social niceties simply because the absence is read as something more vicious, and the second is a very visceral "fuck no" regardless of who the player is.

Fundamentally none of this was AI, none of this was personal, and I hate that I just spent 30 minutes disentangling it when I'd rather just leave it because it doesn't matter.

If I play onsite again it will not be under the name Prism.

[SirCakez]

ur not gonna vote urself infinity so stop acting like u will

Yes I will. If skitt votes me there is a greater chance I will survive by self voting and convincing her that I wouldn't do that as scum than otherwise.

this is just so ridiculous I can't even believe it

Cakez make a case on me for me to tear apart tia

[notscience]

You’re the one who’s been saying I’m scum and somehow snowed Bork nacho snd bulge

You must have some real insight!

[notscience]

That was snarky in my mind and came off condescending so sorry

[SirCakez]

DC keeps making terrible posts making me want to vote them too though
AGHHH

For the record my posting was not to push Infinity

Part of why I feel like she feels so overwhelmed regardless of alignment is noones done shit to try and kill anyone but her today and yeah we just opened but all anyone’s done re me is mild sus

A case would help

this is not really true I'm still considering voting you don't get too excited

[SirCakez]

You’re the one who’s been saying I’m scum and somehow snowed Bork nacho snd bulge

You must have some real insight!

the ancient one does not reveal his secrets

[notscience]

I’m not excited I’m bored as fuck because people just say I’m scum without saying why I’m scum

Ninja-
I could just pull the 100% track record of reading me from bulge card

I haven’t

But I could

[SirCakez]

you're not considering things like cakez/iverson bc, again, it's a lot easier for you to push a narrative that we're scum and to try and get our flip given how we're perceived by others in the game than by seriously reconsidering us and looking at the others

i hate how DC keeps trying to widen the elim pool
this is a pretty consistent scum tell

[SirCakez]

and cakez had a prior meta of bussing heavily?

see postgame of Among Us

what if its notsci/DC??????

[SirCakez]

I hate how calm notsci is coming off here.