Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[InsidiousLemons]

also: the bit you quoted is the "yes" of the "yes and no." i'm saying that that behaviour is indeed suspicious.

[humaneatingmonkey]

so... your reason for not taking it more into account is that it's impossible to sort him anyway? or do you just don't believe that it's a reliable scumtell in general?

[humaneatingmonkey]

also: the bit you quoted is the "yes" of the "yes and no." i'm saying that that behaviour is indeed suspicious.

oh ok. would you be down to wagon him, if that's the case?

[InsidiousLemons]

so... your reason for not taking it more into account is that it's impossible to sort him anyway? or do you just don't believe that it's a reliable scumtell in general?

i don't think it's reliably scum motivated for him, no. osuka is not really on my list for today as things stand, though i'm certainly not ruling him out as potential scum

[InsidiousLemons]

What's the meta on osuka? Does he have a reputation for being obtuse and overhostile?

yes lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

so what do you want to do next with osuka's slot?

[humaneatingmonkey]

What's the meta on osuka? Does he have a reputation for being obtuse and overhostile?

yes lol

he did the same thing as scum, and this doesn't even raise some questions from you?
right now, you're saying that it's suspicious, and it could mean that he's scum, but not enough that you would want to pursue it further.
do you understand how that looks to me?

[InsidiousLemons]

i don't think he's done anything egregious enough to get proper pressure or momentum going on him. my plan for evaluating his slot for the time being is to continue gauging his reactions to content as it is generated. i'm looking forward to seeing how he responds to the thought that his defense of me might be a pocketing attempt, because it very well might be. his scum play last game was very good, so i may need to take a deeper dive into his meta than i have before and try to weed through the subtle differences in play. don't get me wrong -- i don't think passive observation on its own is likely to be enough to sort this slot confidently.

p-edit: there are better things to focus on right now. a couple of his plays have stood out to me, but they're not nearly the most suspicious things that have been done this game nor is he the most consistently questionable slot. and i never even said his hostility was scum-indicative -- his reputation for toxicity and stubbornness extends to all games, not just scum ones.

[humaneatingmonkey]

so i may need to take a deeper dive into his meta than i have before and try to weed through the subtle differences in play. don't get me wrong -- i don't think passive observation on its own is likely to be enough to sort this slot confidently.

I'm looking forward to it

[humaneatingmonkey]

can anyone who thinks Lemons is town talk me into seeing that angle right now?

[T3]

Umlaut was towny but kind of dropped off. Monkey is a strong townread, I liked the lemons analysis.

[Umlaut]

HEM looking better.

T3, I'm either town or I'm not, it doesn't change over the course of the game. Iif you think my posts have been towny then why does it matter whether they're recent or not?

[Egix96]

i'll be very honest, Lemons. I don't think I can get much out of a 1 on 1 with you. My reason for wanting you lynched is inconsistency but

your sudden self-aware comeback was enough to soften me up

. I've already caught you being inconsistent once, so I don't think by tunneling you, I can put you in a position where I can be confident you're scum or confident that you're town.

This means 552, yeah? You don't think they were just trying to placate you? Because that's what it sorta feels like to me.

[Egix96]

52 is a joke and so is this post

it's a joke with a purpose, i believe that. i've seen scum attempt to subtly characterize themselves as harmless and simple-minded very often, and i know that anya does not fit that description

choof is looking more town to me. i reread a bit and i don't think 102 is that bad. while i do disagree with the content of the post, i don't necessarily think it indicates a scum mindset. the anya vote that had to be prompted sucks, but choof has been making consistent attempts to engage and provoke discussion or argument, and that's enough for me to think my vote is better used elsewhere for the time being

.

127 is a good post from umlaut. his others don't ping for me either, so townlean for now.

anya null so far but this does look similar to her scumplay last game. she's posting very safely

andante's arguments are lacklustre but her mindset feels similar to her townplay last game. i don't see a reason to believe this is scum yet, although i question why she preferred anya as town over ivy on page ~7

@andante can you point to any specific posts from anya that you think are town

T3 is a woefully unengaged player because he's stretched himself too thin signing up for almost every game on the site. i'm not really sure how to fix this because even running him up last game didn't convince him to try very hard

the people ragging on osuka for being impolite have a big storm coming. that said, osuka is using the same gadfly strategy he used last game, popping in to aggravate and prod without fleshing out any particular push very substantially. i don't like it

@anya what brings about your townread on T3?

@mod can we get a vc

VOTE: osuka

p-edit well that's a shame.

lmao Lemons complaining that T3 isn't interacting with the game but had enough content in 8 posts to organize a readlist. surely, you understand the irony.

but he isn't interacting with the game. few if any of his posts contain attempts to engage directly with or question another player. calling any of what ive quoted above "content" is a gross overstatement. his posts are one-liner, hands-off observations, exclusively. he has provided almost no justification for any of his reads. he has yet to respond to a question asked of him, other than to "clarify" his read on andante.

so no, i don't really understand the irony

Fwiw @HEM these were the snippets I thought Lemons was town for before.

[Cook]

A potential issue has occurred. Details will not be provided. Thread locked until further action can be taken.

[Cook]

Deadline will resume at 5 days once a resolution is reached.

[Cook]

Issue resolved. Unlocking thread tomorrow.

During the pause, Andante requested replacement. Confirming replacement...

[Cook]

Votecount #5, Day One

Osuka (2): bugspray, Ivyeo
humaneatingmonkey (2): geraintm, InsidiousLemons
geraintm (2): Andante, Umlaut

Andante (1): osuka
Dunnstral (1): Egix96
InsidiousLemons (1): humaneatingmonkey
Egix96 (1): Anya

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to flip.
(expired on 2021-05-23 09:33:00) to deadline.

Deadline reset to 5 days due to disruption.

[Ivyeo]

Fwiw @HEM these were the snippets I thought Lemons was town for before.

These posts to me don't neccesarly seem towny. They have a "trying to look productive" feel to them.

[bugspray]

What

[Ivyeo]

The posts they linked

[bugspray]

not about you

[Ivyeo]

not about you

What about then. where are you right now htis game?

[bugspray]

im confused why the deadline is running if adante is being replaced

[InsidiousLemons]

okay, well that gave me some time to dig around in osuka's meta at least.

his only scum game that i can see for at least the past two years is the one we played together, Mini Normal 2205 (RotITGBSMoD). it's unfortunate that i can't really look at this game from as unbiased a perspective as his others, because i formed my own opinions on him throughout the game and analyzed his posts as a player rather than as an observer. still, if you look through his ISO there, i think you'll find he is

slightly

more aggressive in playstyle than in his town games such as Mini Normal 2171 (Boardgames) and Mini Normal 2154. it's difficult to say this with conviction because it's such a subjective observation, but if you look through the ISO's i linked (i will admit, i skimmed the ISO's and only read parts of the main game threads for context), i think you'll probably notice the trend i'm talking about. in my opinion, there's a noticeable uptick in the amount of vitriol coming from osuka in RotITGBSMoD as compared with the other two. i'll reiterate that this same observation of increased aggression was made almost immediately by a town player in RotITGBSMoD (andresvmb) who had past experience with osuka. for my money, osuka's attitude in this thread is more similar to his town play than to his scum play.

it's worth noting that both bugspray and dunnstral played with osuka in 2154. it's curious to me that neither of them responded to repeated calls for insider knowledge on osuka's meta. there's 220 from bug, but that post still doesn't link his behaviour in this game with any others. bugspray, i'm curious as to what your opinion is re: osuka's hostility and whether it's a tell or not. this goes doubly for dunnstral, who now has the lowest post count of anyone in the game, at a paltry 14 posts over 24 pages.

gerain's 530 swayed me very slightly, but upon further reflection i really don't think it's any more likely that it's genuine than that it's just a ploy for towncred. gerain, i don't care how bad you are at finding scum, we need opinions and justification out of you or you're going to screw us over in late game when we can't get a read on you. again, this goes for dunnstral as well, but i think my vote is more effective here considering there's already pressure on gerain.

VOTE: geraintm