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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 12:46 pm

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i've typed up my thoughts on each player so far. i'm more conflicted about a lot of things than i'd thought before putting pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard, as the case may be), but i think i feel good about this list. here goes:

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upon rereading i like
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a bit less. she is fine with sitting back and siding with the majority opinion, and it's been working out okay for her. as others have mentioned, her openness about not having much to say and her marked frustration in posts like suggest town. she assures us in and that she'll speak when she has something to say, but she's barely given us anything in the 300+ posts since then. the votecount without any further comment could be seen as more of that superficial usefulness that people called her out for after the list of non-normal roles. i didn't agree with it the first time round but the VC is weird. ultimately still probtown but nothing super concrete in either direction.

egix
has almost the same number of posts as ivy but it feels like the distribution has been a little more even. posts like and seem earnest enough that i'm okay with him for now. leaning town for what feels like honest (if at times passive) scumhunting and thought progression.

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the
choof/humaneatingmonkey
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i liked
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pre-replacement and i think it's kind of hilarious that she burnt herself out so hard writing reads posts that she decided to sub out.
VFP
doesn't look any different from my last game with them, and they were town then. into the town pile with this slot

if bugspray's iso is an empty cereal box then
dunnstral
's is the stale cheerios you find at the bottom. what posts he does have are pretty surface-level, though a handful of them ask okay questions. he might have been null based on actual content, but i'm starting to lean scum because of the extreme lack thereof.

i have seen nothing out of
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umlaut
's early posts such as and feel comfortably town-minded for me, but his activity and engagement have dropped off extremely sharply since then. makes an okay point but recently he seems to be kind of waiting to be questioned, which is not something i'd expect of someone trying to solve the game. still a townlean but i'd like to see a return to his earlier style.

T3
has been posting... sparingly, as is his usual fashion. he's a hard one to read for me because he's in so many games at once that his activity and investment per game is very low. that said, his naked acknowledgement of his own inactivity without an attempt at making excuses, along with his confidence in (and overall lack of self-concern) make me think he's probably more likely town than scum. slight townlean

gerain
still looks like scum to me. i think giving him a pass for being self aware/claiming VT(?) is a bit of a cop out. i didn't notice it at first but contains a dismissive "10 nulls and 2 i don't knows" which equals 12 players, meaning gerain probably isn't actually bothering to even
try
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i think i've said already in this game that
anya
looks basically the same as last game, in which she was scum. however, her meta is pretty consistent overall, and so far i haven't seen anything that i would consider to be outside of her range for either town or scum. null

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this gives us, in (very) rough order from towniest to scummiest:

town/lean:

Egix96
Andante
/VFP
Umlaut
Ivyeo
T3

null:

osuka
choof
/humaneatingmonkey
Anya

scum/lean:

Dunnstral
bugspray
geraintm

some questions:

@bug are you still happy with your vote?

@Anya why are you suspicious enough of monkey's desire to read dunnstral that you're voting him, but didn't bother to comment when i was so desperate for info from T3?

@ivy, i'd be interested to hear how your thoughts have progressed since your initial readlist.

@T3 i would like to know how exactly osuka redeemed himself in your eyes. i kind of doubt this question will get answered because it's buried, and because T3 isn't always in the business of responding to questions at the best of times, but hey, nothing ventured nothing gained.

@Dunnstral, you say in that gerain is "kind of weird" as town. can you elaborate on your experience(s) with him?
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 12:48 pm

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@cook can we get a vote count? i'm sorry to keep asking but there have only been 5 in nearly 30 pages of gameplay
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 1:22 pm

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I'll try to give reads either later tonight or tomorrow IRL, I'm just kinda exhausted right now appologies.
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 1:22 pm

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In post 701, InsidiousLemons wrote:@cook can we get a vote count? i'm sorry to keep asking but there have only been 5 in nearly 30 pages of gameplay
Also this is exactly why I did a VC t.t
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 1:54 pm

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In post 655, Umlaut wrote:
In post 633, Anya wrote:welcome back dolphin
I'm somewhat put out that VFP gets to be called by the actual name of the animal in their avatar, you should be calling them shark or something.
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 1:54 pm

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In post 658, VFP wrote:VOTE: Osuka
PL at the very least.

T3 I don't have a town read on yet. If I don't have one by the time I'm caught up I'll probably be satisfied here.
Anya looks town. Scum Anya just looks more cautious.
Dunn I'm thinking townlean.

@T3
why is Osuka scum here? Or why more scum than Ivyeo or Anya?
sorry what does PL mean
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 1:54 pm

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In post 660, Egix96 wrote:
In post 46, Anya wrote:
In post 28, InsidiousLemons wrote:hi andante hi anya hi t3
hi insidiouslemons

i'm glad i don't have to pretend to call you a wolf
when you're writing down towny essays

unless YOU'RE the wolf this time
@ osuka
The phrasing of this part feels awkward/scumslip-ish
that's not a slip and that's hardly weird

read the second half of that sentence
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 1:56 pm

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In post 670, T3 wrote:UNVOTE: osuka
nvm osuka hs redeemed himself.
Yes I do towread gerains consciouslack of effort.
can you please, for the love of fucking god or whatever other deity you believe in, and for ONCE in your life, explain WHY you think something? it's impossible to play a game with someone who only posts completely shallow one-liners that have no degree of nuance whatsoever
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 1:58 pm

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In post 678, InsidiousLemons wrote:
In post 646, osuka wrote:heres a scalding hot take

gerain is actually probably going to flip town pr
this is the kind of opinion you don't out until the flip is in danger of actually occurring. i'm having trouble seeing the town mindset between voicing this thought unnecessarily, but then again, scum would also probably just keep it to themself/the scum pt. it's just a weird move in general

@VFP can i ask what about gerain's suggests a town mindset to you? do you think scum isn't this vocal about wanting to progress to the next day?
there's a certain point that a wagon gets to that the flip might as well have occurred

i felt like it was getting to that point fairly quickly
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 1:59 pm

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In post 685, VFP wrote:
In post 665, Dunnstral wrote:I haven't read much of what Osuka has been saying but 646 strikes me more likely to come from town

I'm not personally a fan of policy elims, but unless there's something more compelling than my above reason to townread I will probably just watch this one
Probably.
I doubt my vote stays there but until I'm caught up I won't be sad on a lim there regardless.
come on, just say you hate me and let's move on with this game

there are enough slots doing nothing
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 2:01 pm

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In post 688, geraintm wrote:
In post 646, osuka wrote:heres a scalding hot take

gerain is actually probably going to flip town pr
You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment....

Wait, I did! I have no role beyond vanilla townie!
okay this is extremely strange. as either alignment, don't you want to stick with that? even if you're vt? if you're scum, that's good for you because as soon as a tpr claim goes out d1 you're out of everyone's lynch pool. if you're town, that's good for you because you're more likely to draw a nk, which is a good thing if you're a vt

the point of this post completely eludes me. i think i'll have to come back to this in a bit
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 2:02 pm

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In post 695, bugspray wrote:got vaccined today my arm horts troo much for reading thius crap
pfizer gang??? my arm hurt like a bitch for like two days after
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 2:03 pm

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In post 699, VFP wrote:
In post 697, InsidiousLemons wrote:gerain's return does not do much to convince me here. VFP, do you have past experience to suggest that gerain wouldn't claim VT unnecessarily? he even said he's deliberately attempting to vary his playstyle game to game, which is usually not a town play. though i do concede there's a certain boldness in admitting it outright
No, Gera didn't really get to claim in our game as they were in active from the game when pressure built (not fully sure if due to game or busy).
It's negative points to say the comment about playing different as it's LAMIST after I talk about the way Gera acts.
But claiming VT there suggests town. Since I've come back to the site, outside of a mass claim I've not seen scum claim VT, even more so with lack of pressure.
The best play as scum is to keep quiet on the role and let people think you are a PR from Osuka's comment. It's a better way if town too but at least it seems genuine.
i just addressed this but look for whatever post i just wrote a few minutes ago on that. i think we're saying the same thing but i do wanna talk about why the fuck that post exists
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 2:08 pm

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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 2:12 pm

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In post 700, InsidiousLemons wrote:i have seen nothing out of
osuka
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i want to address this because while i generally won't reply to suspicions of pocketing directed towards me, i'll think about replying to someone pointing out the lack of a reply

replying to a suspicion of a pocketing attempt, as the target of said suspicion, is completely pointless. pointless posts hinder the game progression and i find them to be intolerably annoying, so i tend to not post anything game-related that serves no game purpose. if i told you "i wasn't trying to pocket you", would that even mean anything? instead, if i said "oh shucks you got me", is that not obviously a joke? you couldn't possibly take anything i said there at face value, so unless i had truly convincing information (such as a night check for example), nothing would sway you - and if i had something of that caliber, that was certainly not the time to say that. first, because you were in no real, immediate danger of being executed (so publicizing privileged information about you serves no purpose); second, because that outs me as a power role (of either alignment) or otherwise binds me to a specific pr claim d1, and; third, because if i were to actually come out with that kind of thing, it wouldn't be in reply to a fucking pocketing suspicion for fuck's sake.

if what you wanted to hear was "i'm not trying to pocket you", then here it is: i'm not trying to pocket you. but since that means nothing, i'll also go ahead and say that if i were to pocket you, i know that isn't the way to do it and i can do it much more subtly than that (as you, yourself, have seen just a few days ago in another game)

to address the "attempt" itself: i defended your slot because i do have a very strong tr on you and you're one of the more capable players on the plist from what i know. put two and two together, what that really means is that you're at the very bottom of my list for a d1 exec - i would rather take the risk, however slim, of you being scum and giving you an extra day or two, than to have you misexecuted on day 1 if you're about to flip green
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In post 713, Umlaut wrote:
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feel better, kangaroo
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 2:21 pm

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In post 707, osuka wrote:
In post 670, T3 wrote:UNVOTE: osuka
nvm osuka hs redeemed himself.
Yes I do towread gerains consciouslack of effort.
can you please, for the love of fucking god or whatever other deity you believe in, and for ONCE in your life, explain WHY you think something? it's impossible to play a game with someone who only posts completely shallow one-liners that have no degree of nuance whatsoever
I initialy scumread you for being here but not doing much. I can see you posting but there aren't actual reads coming out. Then as soon as I voted you started doong stuff and when I read deeper into you it felt townier.
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 2:25 pm

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In post 700, InsidiousLemons wrote:bugspray's iso is pretty barren and though he claims to have been occupied (not going to doubt this because i'm not a dick), he does keep popping in recently with pretty useless posts, which suggests to me that he's reading the thread and just not bothering to actually write anything of substance. scumlean for this and for his overall refusal to answer questions directed at him
my pronouns are they/them

it takes different spoons for reading a thread and critical thinking and popping in and reading the most recent page and back one for a tinge of context. not a fan of this bad faith fake activity tell
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 2:32 pm

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In post 717, bugspray wrote:
In post 700, InsidiousLemons wrote:bugspray's iso is pretty barren and though he claims to have been occupied (not going to doubt this because i'm not a dick), he does keep popping in recently with pretty useless posts, which suggests to me that he's reading the thread and just not bothering to actually write anything of substance. scumlean for this and for his overall refusal to answer questions directed at him
my pronouns are they/them

it takes different spoons for reading a thread and critical thinking and popping in and reading the most recent page and back one for a tinge of context. not a fan of this bad faith fake activity tell
bug can we just work together here? i dont feel like i have a good grip on the game but i do tr you for reasons i myself can't really put a finger on, so id like you and lemons to not get in a cat fight just yet
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Sorry, did somebody ask for me to go get some cats from the beach to fight them?
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 2:48 pm

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Good morning

Will Lynch Today
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I just have a heavy workday today, so I'll come back in 12 hours or in 24 hours to explain this. We need to be choosing between two candidates now. UNVOTE:
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 4:05 pm

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In post 719, Cook wrote:Sorry, did somebody ask for me to go get some cats from the beach to fight them?
not to be snarky but we asked for a votecount, can we get one please
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 4:17 pm

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i can't believe even the mod is lurking
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 4:31 pm

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In post 722, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i can't believe even the mod is lurking
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Wed May 19, 2021 4:32 pm

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In post 700, InsidiousLemons wrote: @Dunnstral, you say in that gerain is "kind of weird" as town. can you elaborate on your experience(s) with him?
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83597

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