Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[bugspray]

i'm kind of surprised to see egix so high up here. what is it about his perspective that you don't empathize with?

As in when Egix has said a lot of stuff that when they posted, I always felt like it was coming from a weirdly synthetic town perspective.
This is a notable feeling I remember I often feel when I see their posts, so I differentiated it as "not emphasizing with his perspective" because it's not really a perspective slip.
I looked at their ISO now and the only thing that I can note was his #540 and "add-ons" to my 1v1s. I felt like "what is he doing?? is this how town would really react right now?" He had a level of confidence about me being town that even I am uncomfortable of.

this post feels weird to me, as if hem is

trying

to find reasons to sr people. might not be the case depending on how my reverse catchup goes

[bugspray]

I think the point's been proven. Feels too easy to be a scum yeet.

do you think scum elims are supposed to be harder?

the only thing harder than eliming scum rolewise is probably a mason

[bugspray]

lemon has lots of reasonable analyses of osuka's fuckery, i bet this slot is town

[bugspray]

i can already see it. bugspray goes for the quickhammer without sharing their thoughts on it.

not sure if i like this as town!paranoia or scum!(shading lots of people)

[bugspray]

does hem tr anyone? i see hem calling lemons scum

[bugspray]

no one said the cannister was wolf for not being here last night though feels like an excuse to give an excuse

Agreed.
I looked back on electocollege mafia and bugspray scumslipped then pretended it was a typo

wait, where? i also scumslipped in chess mafia and got the town dayvig elim'd off that :lol:

[bugspray]

bugspray is scum. They made a similar defenseI think in electocollege mafia when they were scum.

i generally don't defend myself

[Egix96]

let me ask this another way: what makes

you

believe that scum wouldn't bus here?

It's day one. The longer they can all stay alive, the harder it is to find them all.

[InsidiousLemons]

this is the answer i was hoping for. the simple answer is consistent with what we've seen from egix so far -- i wondered if scum!egix may have panicked under munti-angle pressure and gone looking for a more substantial reason why scum!osuka wouldn't get bussed. this isn't much evidence at all because i think the best play overall is just to fall back on the obvious response, but it's reassuring to make a correct prediction.

the reverse-catchup is an interesting play from bug because it makes it substantially harder to track their process. i don't know if i like it

[Ivyeo]

the reverse-catchup is an interesting play from bug because it makes it substantially harder to track their process. i don't know if i like it

I'd agree, almost feels like a reason to misrepresent what is being read, even if corrected later.

[bugspray]

the reverse-catchup is an interesting play from bug because it makes it substantially harder to track their process. i don't know if i like it

I'd agree, almost feels like a reason to misrepresent what is being read, even if corrected later.

if there's a long quote chain i can read back the quotes to get context and avoid this

[InsidiousLemons]

that "if" is doing a lot of work lol. and many of the posts that are replies to long conversations just cut out all but the most recent post in the quote. why not just read the thread in order? this is a super weird defense of a super weird strategy

[VFP]

Yeah I don't understand the catch up

[bugspray]

ok well we are lucky i got bored and stopped

[osuka]

this is the last time i'm going to say this: if you can't fully grasp that saying someone is conftown d1 is a hyperbole, or that I said gerains was a mislynch _very clearly_ in THAT hypothetical, for the sake of the argument, then i don't know what else to tell you than to go read a fucking book, because you really need to learn how to interpret some fucking text before you try to play a game of mafia again.

you slipped again. this paragraph was written in the assumption that I am town. i thought was scum?

why did you completely ignore the paragraph that followed that? why do you keep cherry picking things I say, completely out of context? i can't think of any town motivation to do this kind of shit

[osuka]

im my mind, lemons is town.

this is the problem. how is lemons town in your mind that early in the game? if you can make a very convincing argument that lemons is town beyond a reasonable doubt at that point of the game — so much so that you won't entertain a perspective (even he admits is valid) that he could be scum — then maybe you can convince me it wasn't a perspective slip

he's playing the game exactly the way he did last game and it screams town. in particular:

244 can come from either alignment, but he didn't actually have to post that at that point in time. i don't think anything about that post itself is towny, but the fact that it exists is - he wrote that completely out of his own accord. he wasn't prompted to do so, he replied to a post that was neither a question nor directed at anyone in particular (let alone himself), and whether or not the post shows a particularly deep analysis of the game state (it doesn't), it advances the game because it's _something_ to go off of. scum are generally happy to let the game stall
341 is a short one but the questions are good, and 342 is good - not many town points for 342, because it isn't very difficult to call out what is a truly jarring way to look at the game (317/319)

344 is when it really started to look like he was town to me. if he's scum, he could let andante just walk away with that. scum generally won't post that, because that kind of line of questioning backfires - there's a _chance_ you get a good foundation for a push on andante's slot, but the much more likely course of events is for andante to just explain whatever she's thinking and then that's pro-town
347 follows that. he could've just answered "yes it seems so" (that andante just posts like there's no tomorrow), but instead he went into detail he really didn't have to and provided pretty good analysis on andante, to the point where i didn't even chime in because i didn't feel like i had a lot to add

[osuka]

osuka, claim?

noting this to see where the wagon is at when i finish catching up. if it's e-1, i'll probably claim

[osuka]

this is the last time i'm going to say this: if you can't fully grasp that saying someone is conftown d1 is a hyperbole, or that I said gerains was a mislynch _very clearly_ in THAT hypothetical, for the sake of the argument, then i don't know what else to tell you than to go read a fucking book, because you really need to learn how to interpret some fucking text before you try to play a game of mafia again.

you slipped again. this paragraph was written in the assumption that I am town. i thought was scum?

i don't see how this paragraph explicitly assumes you are town. he's just fighting back against a push. how is this a perspective slip?

i'll answer for him

he's misrepping to get me out of the game because he's scum with a bad case of head up ass

[osuka]

you're one of the more capable players on the plist

pocketing attempt confirmed

for real tho i have never seen osuka type even half that much in one post. granted i've never seen him address something he "wouldn't normally address" either, but i'm curious enough about how he will react under pressure that i'm fine hopping on the wagon and seeing where it leads. as i've said, it's been hard for me to get a solid idea about him this game, so i don't mind taking a chance here. i doubt very much that he's the type of player to go down without a fight, so he'll have plenty of opportunity to plead his case if we're wrong.

VOTE: osuka

spent a decent portion of today in the hospital for a stupid injury so i didn't get to catch up super thoroughly. i'll probably be back later tonight or early tomorrow. if i missed any questions directed at me, feel free to re-ask.

i plan on reading over that gerald game that i haven't honestly bothered to look at yet and i'll post here about it in a second

you're not gonna like my answer i think, but it really just was >500mg of caffeine in a day that got me to write that. at the risk of being pedantic (though you're probably not one to talk about that), it's important to distinguish between addressing an accusation of a pocketing attempt and addressing the conversation about the lack of an address to an accusation of a pocketing attempt. it really is the case that addressing a pocketing attempt accusation is largely pointless, but pointing _that_ out might not be

by and large i don't really truly care how you read me here because i highly doubt you're going to look at my game and read it as town, because of recency and confirmation biases. i can't think of a single time where i played two games over a short period of time, first as scum and second as town, with one or more of the same players, and _wasn't_ scumread the second time around - let alone back to back. that's a consequence of making my playstyle intentionally nebulous to actively curb meta reads on me. i've openly admitted to that before and there's no point in lying about it, and i chose to do that fully aware that it would end up painting a fat target on my back, regardless of alignment, and getting me mislynched way too frequently

non game related, but i hope your injury heals soon

this is still kind of pockety. he makes a decent case for not addressing the pocketing and then for addressing that fact itself, but i haven't known osuka to be this patient and polite to literally anyone else, especially not to someone who's actively pushing towards getting him elemonated. maybe it really is recency/confirmation bias but dude seems very invested in me specifically not disliking him and even with the "strong townread" on me, i don't really understand why

i don't lash out at people for going into legitimate lines of questioning. what really pisses me off is the kind of shit hem is posting, which is very frustrating to argue against because he's misrepresenting what i say, pretending i said shit i didn't, and generally just playing stupid

[osuka]

maybe human eating monkey for his fast about face on me for no good reasons is suspicious - because i didn't do anything to change their mind really.

i don't know what you're saying because even this post is pretty town

the timeline was i believe

you think i'm scum
i go "you can think of me as bad town but i am town"
you go "oh yeah, you are right, you are town!"
i go "that's weird you backed off me so easily"
you go "you are spewing town vibes"
i go "i really am not, you are being weird"
you go "see, you did it again!"

i find your interaction with me odd

@lemons i think this is in line with the game you linked. how would you say this differs from that?

it doesn't differ substantially. gerain just seems overall more invested even in D1 of that other game. to me the difference is that gerain there is trying to stay active in spite of his vocal distaste for D1s, whereas here he seems to be falling back on it as a crutch because it's "how he always plays". dunnstral's 381 ivy's 420 make good points about this. i don't know that i would necessarily say that meta is a

cornerstone

of the case, but it is a decent part. however, i'm not sure how much else you can reasonably expect there to be considering how little gerain has given us to work with.

p-edit: this is kind of a stretch. osuka's statement is "IF you can't fully grasp..." -- he is once again speaking in hypotheticals. the point he's making reads to me as something like "if you're not scum then you're illiterate, which i know you aren't, therefore scum". you're trying pretty hard to make these "if" statements factually inconsistent.

honestly that game was almost a year ago and i'm totally willing to chalk that up to environmental factors. i really don't think these subtle differences make for a case on gerain, because anyone's playstyle naturally changes over time and varies depending on what they have going on irl, their mood, etc

[osuka]

i'll review osuka

when you do, can you make sure your head is out of your ass? it seems to have gotten lodged in there a few hundred posts ago

[osuka]

p-edit: this is kind of a stretch. osuka's statement is "IF you can't fully grasp..." -- he is once again speaking in hypotheticals. the point he's making reads to me as something like "if you're not scum then you're illiterate, which i know you aren't, therefore scum". you're trying pretty hard to make these "if" statements factually inconsistent.

I've reviewed it. no not really. this is not how he said it was. you can clearly say what he said.

YOU are stretching it

the point he's making reads to me as "if you don't understand, then you're stupid. don't play mafia." because that's exactly what he said.

i hate myself for breaking my own promise, to myself, that i would stop addressing this sort of dogshit but frankly i can't stop myself so here goes nothing

i'll keep quoting myself until your brain stops fucking short-circuiting or people start to see you're completely full of shit. your posts about me have ranged from misrepresentations of what i've said to straight up fabrications and i'm honestly sick of you pretending like you have had a fucking lobotomy

[osuka]

Yeah. It's tough to fight against their will.

Scum bussing exists. What do you think would have happened if osuka was scum here?

assume i'm scum. why the fuck am i being hard bussed d1?

[osuka]

It was moderna not Pfizer but I'm gonna eat a food I really like for breakfast and catch up

i heard moderna has better 5g reception than pfizer, but mine is excellent anyway

[osuka]

the point he's making reads to me as "if you don't understand, then you're stupid. don't play mafia." because that's exactly what he said.

an unacceptable amount of osuka's ISO is that kind of toxic crap, I honestly wonder how he he hasn't caught the ban

though i do admittedly toe the line, i attack the play not the player

in the event i do actually want to attack the player, i just leave what i'm _actually_ trying to say implied