Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[The Bulge]

Votecount 5.5

Cabd

[4] - Nero Cain, Cabd, KittyTacky, samantha97

bloodhail

[2] - Andresvmb, Vasex

Vasex

[1] - Almost50

Andresvmb

[1] - bloodhail

Not voting

- Marky Mark, Anastasia, Enchant

With 11 players alive, it will take 6 votes to achieve an elimination.

The deadline for Day 5 is Thursday, June 3 at 10:56 am EDT. You have (expired on 2021-06-03 10:56:00).

[Vasex]

Ok. Blood - Ana - A50.

[Marky Mark]

I've skimmed the last 20 pages to get a rough idea of what happened in my absence. As a general note, I did make it pretty clear in advance that I was going to be V/LA this week, so between that, the MOD notes to this effect in the votecounts and the V/LA tag I had on my profile, things like

The latter. It's why I'm still voting myself.

Marky's vanishing is indeed a terrible sign for him, Nero.

are a little cheap. Clearly the fact that I was on holiday in the middle of the countryside with no PC make me scum.

[Marky Mark]

Taking the game at face value (still wrapping my head around the mech implications), Vasex is slot that sticks out as the most obviously scummy

-Defended T3 for vast majority of D1 until wagon was looking v likely to go through anyways
-Then tried to cash in on the fact that he was on the final wagon for towncred in VOTE: 5775
-Been on every miselim
-The false bravado he sometimes pulls just feels v scummy tone-wise. We saw this D1 with him asking if there was any mech to elim both Kitty and T3. We've seen it again today where he asked if there was any mech to lock his vote on Ana.

VOTE: Vasex

[Marky Mark]

Ah, whoops, I must have used vote tags rather than post tags to try and link post 5775

[Marky Mark]

The blood retraction of his result on cabd is in TSTBS territories so I'm not entirely sure what to make of that but I don't massively follow the logic that one of him/andres has to be scum. When I was looking at previous large games to look for evidence of 2x cops, there were plenty of examples of having 2x identical or similar TPRs.

[Marky Mark]

It feels unlikely that BOTH Sam/Enchant are scum (Enchant in particular feels towny) so either Andres scum or there has been some kind of PR interference either from scum or from DGB.

[Marky Mark]

I might have a dig through DGB's posts to try and see if there is anything that might hint at their NA targets.

[Marky Mark]

Incidentally, this thread feels like it is getting increasingly abrasive, which is not cool, so maybe we all (myself included) need to take a step back and try to introduce some more courtesy. You all seem like nice people and its been enjoyable playing together, regardless of alignment or eventual outcome.

[Marky Mark]

@Sam can you help me understand why you think we need to elim Cabd due to them being the counterwagon to NDMath?

I get that counterwagon to scum has a good chance of being town (eg T3 scum implies Enchant town) but I don't see what stops Cabd/NDMath being T/T

[Vasex]

I started to skip Mark's post as an absolute garbage

[Vasex]

*posts

[samantha97]

@Sam can you help me understand why you think we need to elim Cabd due to them being the counterwagon to NDMath?

I get that counterwagon to scum has a good chance of being town (eg T3 scum implies Enchant town) but I don't see what stops Cabd/NDMath being T/T

nothing stops them from both being town

but I have to believe that for some reason it's difficult to lynch town 3 separate days + cabd believed he was hammered day 1 + cabd thinks it's normal for there to be 2 cops and 2 vanilla cops

also if either of the vanilla cops exist it's likely that at least 1 of the vanilla claims is mafia

[Vasex]

It feels unlikely that BOTH Sam/Enchant are scum (Enchant in particular feels towny) so either Andres scum or there has been some kind of PR interference either from scum or from DGB.

Dgb couldnt block the fruit to Enchant
Odd night jailkeeper

[Vasex]

Wait a minute. Odd night jailkeeper
Maybe scums have Even night roleblocker?
That's why kitty wasnt blocked on n1 ??

[bloodhail]

I might have a dig through DGB's posts to try and see if there is anything that might hint at their NA targets.

i dont think it matters, it wouldnt target a fruit vendor claim

[Vasex]

So maybe dgb blocked sam's fruit and then mafia blocked enchant's fruit?
Or there is just a scum in sam/enchant, if andre is true

[KittyTacky]

Wait a minute. Odd night jailkeeper
Maybe scums have Even night roleblocker?
That's why kitty wasnt blocked on n1 ??

Yeah maybe that. Would make sense. Anyhow, thoughts-list (not quite reads).

Vasex: my TR on him is slowly faltering. His play today is kind of... floppy. Can't find a better word for it.
Anastasia: kinda null. Probably not scum with Vasex unless this is some sort of extended bus.
Mark: now this is my new shepherd. He has been extremely active and helpful, especially after D1. I lock town on him.
Cabd: still scum probs. Or just townie who doesn't want to play.
bloodhail: if I understand it right, it's likely either them or Andres (both vanill cop equivalents). But then there's the possibility of it being a mod trick.
Andres: vice versa.
BH and Andres are both kinda null to me.
A50: rather quiet all game but not quiet in a scum way if that makes any sense.
samantha: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Enchant: day 1 acting quite scummy, afterwards seems to not be that bad. Might be a townie who made mistakes D1 as often happens.
Nero: I'm also sure this is town for now.

[Vasex]

Vasex: my TR on him is slowly faltering. His play today is kind of... floppy. Can't find a better word for it.

What should i do? I found two mafia - blood and ana. Before any of this flips i dont know what to do and nobody listens to me. What do u expect from me?

[bloodhail]

"nobody listens to me" kind of like how you ignore literally everything i do to explain myself and keep making up bullshit to throw at me

[Marky Mark]

I started to skip Mark's post as an absolute garbage

Nice discredit attempt. Try being nice to people

[Marky Mark]

I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to listen to someone who has been behind every town miselim though

[Marky Mark]

but I have to believe that for some reason it's difficult to lynch town 3 separate days + cabd believed he was hammered day 1 + cabd thinks it's normal for there to be 2 cops and 2 vanilla cops

I agree that the fact cabd has survived so much sustained pressure does make the slot feel sus.

Idk, I would have been keener for an elim for him pre his reaction to the bloodhail fake result

[Marky Mark]

It would take a significant amount of persuading to make me look past someone who hard defended a maf PR and has been on every miselim though

[Vasex]

Why am looking for the third mafia on people who dont elim me?
You shouldnt be so stupid the whole game mark, so...
I solved this game:
Blood - Ana - Mark/A50.
And nobody else. All mafia here.