Mini Theme 2212: Ircher's Grand Idea Mafia: SCUM WIN

[Ircher]

VOTE: Italiano

[Maruchan]

votecount 10

With 12 alive, 7 to yeet.

Flea The Magician - 0 -
ItalianoVD - 2 - Lustice Jeague, Ircher
Asteria - 3 - Almost50, SirCakez, T3, Flea The Magician, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, ItalianoVD
Ircher - 0 -
Lustice Jeague - 0 -
Psyche - 1 - Robert M Hunter
Vaxkiller - 0 -
Robert M Hunter - 0 -
T3 - 1 - Asteria
SirCakez - 0 -
Enchant - 0 -
Almost50 - 0 -

Not Voting, Vaxkiller, Enchant, Psyche

You have (expired on 2021-06-01 15:00:00) to reach a yeet.

[Almost50]

I guess we'll wait for Maru, but if that attempted hammer was false, I think we should fade Italiano for the attempted quickhammer.

If he's voteless then he knew it wasn't hammer, i.e. he did not attempt to quickhammer

If he isn't voteless then it was hammer and we should wait for the flip

[Ircher]

Asteria - 3 - Almost50, SirCakez, T3, Flea The Magician, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, ItalianoVD

@MOD: Even without Itaiano's vote, this looks like it is at least four votes.

[Maruchan]

Asteria - 3 - Almost50, SirCakez, T3, Flea The Magician, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, ItalianoVD

@MOD: Even without Itaiano's vote, this looks like it is at least four votes.

The votecount is correct

[Almost50]

@Ircher: You're the expert now. Which of your roles (posted in GIM) reduces the votecount on itself every votecount? Alternatively, do you have any targeting role(s) that render the target voteless?

[Almost50]

Because this looks like some vote manipulation effect, but I can't pinpoint the source.

[Ircher]

I think I know what is, but I want Italiano to claim it himself. If I am correct, he should have no reason to hide his role.

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: Italiano

[ItalianoVD]

Okay good. I don’t think Asteria is scum, which is why voted there. I know weird right?

[Asteria]

T3 is in my null category so I see no problem with a wagon here

I can see why but do you mind sharing your why to see if we mindmeld?

There isn't really a reason why besides not finding anything in his iso particularly townie.

I think it is.

VOTE: Asteria

Ouch
VOTE: Italiano

5 votes + LJ + Italiano sure looks like hammer for me. If Asteria is Loved then the L-2 on the VC was false to begin with. Unless Italiano is Voteless; in which case someone should know his exact role and alignment.

As much as I don't want to admit it, this seems true

Oh I think I get Italiano's role now. I haven't looked at the role list though so idk if it exists
UNVOTE:

[ItalianoVD]

I think I know what is, but I want Italiano to claim it himself. If I am correct, he should have no reason to hide his role.

Yeah you’re right I was going to. I wanted to see players reaction on what they thought was a hammer.

I’m a

Town Compulsive Unvoter

I think Lustice is scum and I think we should be voting there.

I think the whole ‘scum not wanting to do anything about Asteria’ bit was misrepresented. As I said I think Asteria was the counterwagon to Flea. Then he voted for Asteria for not showing us that they’re town which is a weak reason to me. Then putting them at L-1 which puts them in hammer range. Doesn’t make sense to do that when you just said that scum was okay with the wagon.

[ItalianoVD]

Yah last game i played scum fast hammered in every day phase until they won.

VOTE: Italiano

Now here is a question? Why did SirCakez pressure Italiano to do something and why Italiano took that as fast hammering Asteria?

Something is odd at play here.

This is scum. I don’t believe a town player would place a player they just kinda defended at L1 and then go after the person that “hammered”.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Flea

Italiano seems to have used their role in a pro-town manner to me, so I'm a bit disinclined to go there. That being said, I should probably just go ahead and claim the rest of my picks.

As we are all aware, two of mine were the octuplet voters, 1 werewolf and 1 town.
For my other town one, I submitted Town Voteless Hurter (post #8822).
For my free pick, I submitted Mafia Compulsive Restricted Unvoter (post #4647). I did not submit the town equivalent, but it is very possible someone else did, and I think Italiano would be caught later on if they are indeed scum, so I don't see as much to gain there as we did with the Octuplet voters. At any rate, if Italiano is scum, he can't help his partners quickhammer.

[Ircher]

You forgot to include self.

Mafia claim here seems?

This is very weak, and you should feel bad for making this kind of post.

I've actually not seen a really substantial post from you. You had the claims compilation, but that's the only thing worth noting.

Also im getting a feeling that scum is comfortable with Asteria's wagon. There is no push back.

Eh, wasn't Flea kind of a counterwagon? I do think it built up rather quickly, but that seems the new normal.

Works for me
VOTE: T3

It would be useful if you offered more of substance than you have been, rather than mindlessly sheeping anything that isn't you.

[Lustice Jeague]

I think I know what is, but I want Italiano to claim it himself. If I am correct, he should have no reason to hide his role.

Yeah you’re right I was going to. I wanted to see players reaction on what they thought was a hammer.

I’m a

Town Compulsive Unvoter

I think Lustice is scum and I think we should be voting there.

I think the whole ‘scum not wanting to do anything about Asteria’ bit was misrepresented. As I said I think Asteria was the counterwagon to Flea. Then he voted for Asteria for not showing us that they’re town which is a weak reason to me. Then putting them at L-1 which puts them in hammer range. Doesn’t make sense to do that when you just said that scum was okay with the wagon.

Yah last game i played scum fast hammered in every day phase until they won.

VOTE: Italiano

Now here is a question? Why did SirCakez pressure Italiano to do something and why Italiano took that as fast hammering Asteria?

Something is odd at play here.

This is scum. I don’t believe a town player would place a player they just kinda defended at L1 and then go after the person that “hammered”.

One, i am defending nobody except Ircher and SirCakez, you go after them and you can count on a guaranteed vote on yourself, unless you are a cop with a bloody redcheck on them.

Two, i didnt vote Asteria for just not making the effort to get townread by us, Asteria has been vague with thecreads she outs and has shown acceptance to yeet anyone as long as is not her, that is why i've been voting her and will continue to push there VOTE: ASTERIA
Notice how she is ok with any yeet? She voted Flea, T3 and yourself? Yah, she has no conviction!

Three, we townies can afford to be as inconsistent as we want, why? Because we lack of TMI, do you wanna catch a wolf? Look at how consistent he is trying to be every damn time to not look “wolfy”. So would i push on someone with a vote after “defending” her a post ago? ABSO-FUCKIN-LUTELY, I reserve the right to re-evaluate my reads as many and as frequently as i want.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

[Enchant]

You forgot to include self.

Mafia claim here seems?

This is very weak, and you should feel bad for making this kind of post.

No, why i should?

[Flea The Magician]

5 votes on Asteria as of that count, only 3 are counting? dafuq.

[Flea The Magician]

1 vote not counting is explained, the other isnt... eugh I gotta VC dive and ngl i am not feeling it today. I cancelled my DnD session I'm that far out of it -.-;

[T3]

A50, me, Cakez, Italiano, and I are voting. We know cakez is town. Italiano claimed. So according to what Ircher picked does that mean there is a confirmed scum in Flea and A50?

[Flea The Magician]

VC8 is the one where it goes weird, someones had a vote stolen.
VOTE: Flea - lets see if its mine.

[T3]

Ah.
VOTE: T3

[Enchant]

What logic you use.

[Flea The Magician]

huh we've been on VC8 for a while. Anyway, removing Octovotes from VC we have....

votecount 8

With 12 alive, 7 to yeet.

Flea The Magician - 1 - Ircher
ItalianoVD - 0 -

Asteria - 5 !L-2! - Psyche, Almost50, SirCakez, T3, Flea The Magician

Ircher - 0 -
Lustice Jeague - 0 -
Psyche - 1 - Robert M Hunter
Vaxkiller - 0 -
Robert M Hunter - 0 -
T3 - 2 - Lustice Jeague, Asteria
SirCakez - 0 -
Enchant - 0 -
Almost50 - 0 -

Not Voting: ItalianoVD, Vaxkiller, Enchant

You have (expired on 2021-06-01 15:00:00) to reach a yeet.

shhh nobody saw that mistake

Followed by...

votecount 8

With 12 alive, 7 to yeet.

Flea The Magician - 0 -
ItalianoVD - 2 - Lustice Jeague, Ircher

Asteria - 3 - Almost50, SirCakez, T3, Flea The Magician, ItalianoVD

Ircher - 0 -
Lustice Jeague - 0 -
Psyche - 1 - Robert M Hunter
Vaxkiller - 0 -
Robert M Hunter - 0 -
T3 - 1 - Asteria
SirCakez - 0 -
Enchant - 0 -
Almost50 - 0 -

Not Voting, Vaxkiller, Enchant

You have (expired on 2021-06-01 15:00:00) to reach a yeet.

5 Votes, only 3 counted, 1 vouched for. Someones lost a vote.
With momentum shifting to Italiano, it's a bit sus.I'm tempted to go ISO Irchers GIM list for vote thieves and other vote shenanigans but again I could be there a while and my focus and attention is shifting heavily today. Been like a freaking revolving door of alters and none of us are happy.