Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[T-Bone]

I don't get why you're trying to make both true at the same time. I think you kinda gave away your game in 1046. My town flip would make you confident in Kerset/Bingle but Ana's would make you doubt? What is this?

[Something_Smart]

My town flip would make you confident in Kerset/Bingle but Ana's would make you doubt? What is this?

...Because I strongly townread Ana/RM? It's not rocket surgery.

[yessiree]

VC 1.30

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Anastasia (3)

- VFP, T-Bone, Bambi Jay

T-Bone (3)

- Bingle, RationalMadman, Anastasia

Bambi Jay (1)

- Kerset

Bingle (1)

- Something_Smart

Note Voting - LlamaFluff

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-25 22:00:00)

[VFP]

V/LA - feeling rough from covod jab.

[Bingle]

VOTE: SS

I'm coldfeeting on lovers pool. I don't really want a TBone elim today. I'm also willing to gamble on LF being town, even if I'm wrong here.

[Something_Smart]

I don't really want a TBone elim today.

What changed?

[Bingle]

The pivot.

TBone pivoting off of us put his pair at far greater risk than they previously had been.

Also, I think it's been pretty clear all day that I have 1 strong read, and it's not a scum read.

[Bingle]

I mean, I guess I should say VFP pivoting, but the pivot itself came at a really weird time for scum to 'reconsider' and a pretty natural time for town to reconsider.

[Kerset]

I saw a marathon of words and I've been gone but from the bit i saw I guess we've been pushing Ration and Ana. It still falls in line with Tbone and VFP being my lockdown pick so there's that.

Only got 1 favor really. I'll obviously vote Ana if y'all don't wanna go along with it but I wanna elim Ration on principal instead and not just getting him on a technicality. It's the same result but voting Ration feels better.

VOTE: Ration

Will probably reread the last 2 pages but frankly nothing on there changed my views at all. I got Smart as the goon from the VTs becuz of Vex, and with Tbone and VFP as town the other 2 are expendable and I think they can convince the other VT (probs Llama) they are the town pair if we're put in Lim or Lose.

Ok Tbone follows VFP, because they are modconfirmed to them. What about bambi? Did she also get a pass to do 180 on her reads?
This is just ridiculous level of opportunism. She votes anything with the lowest level of reluctance and got no opinion on her own.

[Kerset]

@Ana - You feel that you can accurately meta me from a game that lasted about 48 hours, barely hit 10 pages, had zero flips, etc? Especially if you arent aware of town meta?

@llama Why did you have no problem with Tbone doing the same on me?

llama ignores my questions again...

[Kerset]

Kerset/Bingle being scum seems far and away the simplest explanation and I can't tell if I'm too out of touch to see it or if everyone else is too confbiased to see it.

Can you elaborate?

[Bambi Jay]

That post literally said my opinion point blank. What is Kerset smoking?

[T-Bone]

Bambi's only viable scum partners are VFP/me and we're town so she's confirmed to me. I know that doesn't mean much to most people but I do want to put that thought out there.

[RationalMadman]

Bambi's only viable scum partners are VFP/me and we're town so she's confirmed to me. I know that doesn't mean much to most people but I do want to put that thought out there.

Wrong. She can be scum with any pair at all if she's distancing.

[RationalMadman]

Tbone is stating utter lies, as is VFP, about how to spot partners. You don't instantly read conflict as non-partner. There is no logic behind hard-reading anything as impossible to be a bus. That's how you start toread, not how you truly conclude. Bambi could be distancing from Ana and me hypothetically, as could Llama in the situation that just hapoenedt here if Ana and me were scum, yet VFP and Tbone state hard reads in vanillas assuming that as scum Ana and myself would ask our Goon to buddy us all day. This isn't a town mindset at all, the read is shallow and forced.

[RationalMadman]

Stop pussy footing this vote, vote Ana and myself, we flip Town, then vote Tbone and VFP, I am not playing around here.

[LlamaFluff]

@Ana - You feel that you can accurately meta me from a game that lasted about 48 hours, barely hit 10 pages, had zero flips, etc? Especially if you arent aware of town meta?

@llama Why did you have no problem with Tbone doing the same on me?

llama ignores my questions again...

What post. I dont see something that is at least as similar as you think.

Vote SS

I like Bingle vote here because it doesnt make sense from scum, regardless of what SS is.

[T-Bone]

Please stop being dishonest RM, thank you.

[RationalMadman]

Please stop being dishonest Tbone.

Thank you.

[Kerset]

What post. I dont see something that is at least as similar as you think.

So why did Tbone voted me in your understanding?

[RationalMadman]

Llama backing away from Ana and myself seems like scum scared to be on Town bw after realising third vanilla and other pair aren't joining in.

I am less sure of Bambi vs Llama which os the scum but I townread S_S, so unless one of the others is viable I'm still voting Tbone.

[RationalMadman]

Llama suddenly unvoted Ana for absolutely no reason if he scumreads her and I.

[Bingle]

Please stop being dishonest RM, thank you.

Please stop being dishonest Tbone.

Thank you.

I wasn’t aware I was a dishonest RM or TBone, but I’ll try to stop.

I apologize in advance for the dad joke.

[Kerset]

actually bingle why did you pick SS in particular?

[Bingle]

Vex tried to kill Llama first cuz they couldn't read him as well as me due to us having similar personalities...

Well there seems to be a step missing here. If Vex voted Llama because Vex couldn't read Llama but they can read you, then presumably Vex voted Llama because they can read you and got a townread on you. Or else what you said is a mischaracterization, because even if they had a blatantly scum-motivated reason, they wouldn't have admitted as much in the thread.

Can you point to where Vex explained this?

See this gets to the core point of why I have VV as scum.

They apparently after a game that got called after 48 hours and 12 pages were so scared of me, that they would rather vote me over Bambi. However they state that they think they Bambi is a player that they can read. Then *never* got a read on Bambi, or did anything to make that read on Bambi happen. That was the crux of VV being scum. A cop out of "im afraid of a player" who there was very limited time to ever get a read on, coupled with apparently a confidence to read another player on, which from their standpoint as town would reveal my alignment, and no follow through.

There is a difference between town being lazy and scum trying to stall. I dont doubt that VV actually lost time and needed to be replaced, but how someone says "I cant read X, but can read Y" when Y to them is opposite of X and never makes an attempt to read X is town. Thats why I think Vex was scum. I get trying to form a read of one player off of another. I dont get the feeling that its your only option (especially as again they had about 48 hours of D1 scum me experience) and then never following through on it.

I guess also to an extent there are more than just me scum reading VV on not feeling the same, but I dont trust my meta fully as again very small sample and its hard to compare players when you were playing as scum but now as town as you pay attention to a lot of different things.

@RM what does this do to your “LF unvoted thing?”