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[humaneatingmonkey]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11708714

"i think the misgendering gives us negative scum equity so keep peppering it in so i can yell at oyu for it"

[Anya]

very interesting

flea please just fucking vote me already so it doesnt look like a bus

FUCK FUCK FUCK

DID I REALLY POST THAT HERE?
VOTE: bugspray

it's interesting how far bugspray goes to try and put some cities between themselves and their partners

maybe it's actually a wolf stumble for them

[VFP]

what is this read? please explain

Well I already said that there was nothing in their ISO. The pass was being V/LA at that point.
But I don't see why any credit is given to Uma. The push comes at a safer part of the wagon, and I doubt that 4 quick votes were expected.

It's probably distancing gone wrong gone good.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Umlaut didn't have to do bugs like that. He was in the best position to go for my head there or just hammer Dunn

Unless you're saying it's Dunn, Umlaut, bugs.

Or you're scum trying to break gamestate.

[humaneatingmonkey]

HEM's wagon - osuka, bugs, egix, umlaut, lemons, and auto-votes (gerain, Dunn, whoever else succumbs to pressure)

[Ivyeo]

what is this read? please explain

Well I already said that there was nothing in their ISO. The pass was being V/LA at that point.
But I don't see why any credit is given to Uma. The push comes at a safer part of the wagon, and I doubt that 4 quick votes were expected.

It's probably distancing gone wrong gone good.

Why am I in that list??

[VFP]

Umlaut didn't have to do bugs like that. He was in the best position to go for my head there or just hammer Dunn

Unless you're saying it's Dunn, Umlaut, bugs.

Or you're scum trying to break gamestate.

I disagree, if Dunn is town and Uma knows then why not focus on Bugs?
Do you think that Uma went off thinking "That should be Bugs taken care of"?

Also, I think every scum game I have ever done I have either bussed or pushed my buddy as scum.
If I'm going to lim a scum member, it's going to be a fruit vendor, and not someone who posts less in the game.

[VFP]

Why am I in that list??

Because I don't town read you and I doubt that's an all town wagon.

[Anya]

VOTE: osuka

i go for the fire arm vendors personally

[Umlaut]

I'm not sure if Lemons is scum here.

Egix / Uma / Ivy is where at least 1 scum will be.

what is this read? please explain

Well I already said that there was nothing in their ISO. The pass was being V/LA at that point.
But I don't see why any credit is given to Uma. The push comes at a safer part of the wagon, and I doubt that 4 quick votes were expected.

It's probably distancing gone wrong gone good.

Gone from "I expect one of these three to be scum" to "it's probably Umlaut" pretty quick there.

[VFP]

Gone from "I expect one of these three to be scum" to "it's probably Umlaut" pretty quick there.

At least I said at least 1 scum.
And I also said you're probably scum day 1. Why does that not bother you? Or is this just some selective reading?

[Anya]

raccoon is too happy to be wolf look at that smile

[Umlaut]

depending on what osuka says about his night action, I think we lynch lemons > osuka > VFP > Geraintm > Ivy. Ivy might be our mole in the townbloc. If it's LYLO, I will always vote Ivy.

bugspray did the fake call-out on me when we were scum together.

I'm maybe more convinced than you that Ivy is town. If scum!Ivy raised the point yesterday about being unlikely to get a claim from Bugs it would be as an excuse not to vote there, and she didn't use it as one.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i go for the fire arm vendors personally

as long as we're lynching them both, it's fine

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: osuka

okay, well, this is my tail tucked between my legs moment. i have been facepalming for the past 2 days at how obviously ridiculous osuka's push on hem was. i understand that osuka and i are both obvscum here, the only issue is that i'm not scum. i may have been stupid enough to believe the scumslip push, but i don't believe osuka is. i've seen his reasoning and it is never this overtly wrong. frankly i'm kind of surprised he thinks this push is still viable at all. yes, i understand how absolutely dripping in scum vibes it is to say all this as someone who hopped on the hem wagon. i'm saying it anyway. i really do not have an explanation for why i fell for the scumslip push other than that i was kinda tunneled on hem and really wanted to have found scum. if you still want to lim me tomorrow, do it. you'll have the votes i'm sure.

going back over the ISOs i think VFP could have partner equity with osuka. it's very rare (at least in my experience) to be able to find comments from osuka that overtly point to distancing with no grey area, so take this with a generous grain of salt, but osuka took multiple opportunities to take swipes at andante early in the game, knowing that she was playing pretty much identically to last game (when she was town). taken together with the post where he says he agreed with my early game analysis of andante, there is a case to be made for distancing here. i cant quote right now because mobile but you'll find them if you look. he'll probably counter that he was trying to see if she would react the same way to pressure, which is valid, but again, things are rarely black or white with osuka. VFP coming in and immediately saying he'll coast again could also be taken as VFP creating an opportunity for osuka to distance. again, the case is thin, but this is all my search for possible osuka partners really turned up. scum!Dunn is still a possibility and he didn't really have enough interaction to say whether there's equity there or not.

hem, it is kind of bizarre to me that you're going for me first over osuka. in your "if dunn is scum" scenario, why do you think i'm the scum over osuka?

anyway, hem is all but conftown for the quick flip onto bugs. the fact that osuka is continuing to push him even after the flip is even more damning.

this post is really sweet, but it's scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

Anya what do you think

[Umlaut]

wait did vfp really imply that someone else implied that suggesting someone actually read the thread is appeal to emotion?

lemons implied that someone implied it wtf

I wonder if Bugs got his partners confused here and the team is just {Bugs, VFP, Lemons}

[Anya]

Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

[Umlaut]

EBWOP

I wonder if Bugs got

their

partners confused here

Mea culpa

[Anya]

don't wolves get townies confused with each other more than their partners

[Anya]

when you're a wolf all the town are just a grey dull blob to slowly extinguish with your flaming friends

the fire is usually more memorable

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll let you guys do the reading

[T3]

We're voting lemons.
We're going to vote scum.

The end.

[InsidiousLemons]

vt

Claiming VT at this precise moment with HEM and me just starting to push a different wagon, when town might well decide it's safer to launch the VT claim than then unclaimed Bugs, seems very town to me; safer for scum to just keep their head down a little longer and see what happens than to pop up right then.

this is a solid point and i think it makes me okay putting dunn down as town for now. i'm hesitant to keep letting him coast though

I'm not sure if Lemons is scum here.

Egix / Uma / Ivy is where at least 1 scum will be.

this PoE confuses me greatly. why does there have to be scum here?

For osu to be scum, that would mean scum pulled a no-kill gambit right?

yes, but i really don't think this is particularly unlikely, especially in light of 1175:

it's _possible_ that it was me, but i don't get night action feedback so i really don't know for sure

it's a ballsy move but i could definitely see scumsuka going for it.

Ivy might be our mole in the townbloc. If it's LYLO, I will always vote Ivy.

i'm pretty confident ivy is town here. umlaut's 1212 makes a decent case against the likelihood of an ivy-bugspray scumteam, and for reasons laid out in 979, i find it pretty hard to believe that ivy-osuka is a valid solve either. ivy's attack on osuka doesn't look like distancing to me, it looks like she's looking for a lim. that's negative equity with 1 confscum

and

1 probscum

p-edit: fdshds what the fuck is the point of that post

[InsidiousLemons]

could the scum team actually be bugs-osuka-t3 lol what a world