Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[Save The Dragons]

ok not really but i still don't think that's the case

[Andresvmb]

You're making such a big deal out of it

I get constantly aggravated in games by players saying this kind of stuff. So what if I want to focus on a particular point? If you want to say that purely focusing on how you in particular are reading me is Scummy, then say that. Unless you have my meta nailed down (which you obviously don’t since you’ve tunneled me as Town and are SR’ing me here), is me caring about whether any one player is SR’ing me indicative to you of anything? Because what I think you’ll find is that I tend to care more about games when I’m Town, or I showcase my frustration more easily. Don’t take my word for it - just read my completed games.

[Andresvmb]

In any case, by accusing me of making a big deal out of something, it’s almost like you would rather I roll over and die as Town. Unfortunately, I was trying to avoid straight up losing a game (which we did anyway), and had my focus on that. I’m sorry I didn’t have time to go through RVS with you all. Frankly, I tend to do far better when I can make a specific case for someone without getting pushed and reading unadulterated thoughts that don’t involve my alignment. Yeah I know you want to get thoughts from me early and that’s okay but they’re mostly garbage and my early reads tend to be bad. I keep having to say it and it’s just true.

[Save The Dragons]

I tend to care more about games when I’m Town

[Andresvmb]

I tend to care more about games when I’m Town

You just saw me in a game, and how I started and how it ended. For you this really should be straightforward.

[Save The Dragons]

it might if i cared about meta

[Gamma Emerald]

Sometimes he is, but when he is it doesn’t look like this IMO

Look like what? Can you show me what difference you’re seeing?

I believe Dunnstral should have at least some genuine effort present if he’s lurky town, or at the very least display a specific behavioral pattern
I haven’t seen it yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Voting somewhere else without unvoting still counts IMO
As for “it was a joke”, I don’t get how that matters to me

Of course it does. I’m saying there were not multiple unvotes as you stated in 61. It may seem small but it’s important that information like that is accurate so as not to paint the wrong picture overall.

I’m asking if you feel differently about the unvote now that it was shown to be a joke to match VFP’s joke claim? And you didn’t answer my first question.

I don’t feel any different about it with the fact it was a follow-up response to a joke claim. My premise was that the wagon not being larger was due to scum stepping off, and honestly I’d put greater suspicion on an unvote that uses a joke claim as its basis.
As for Kyouko not interacting on that point, from what I saw we had practically the same thinking about VFP. If our thought slightly differed I’d have expected interaction, but any interaction in this case would have basically been echoing each other’s thoughts.

[Gamma Emerald]

In a hypothetical situation where Italy WAS coached, Andres could be that coach. And he's still not in thread. So like.

VOTE: Andres

Not specifically for that, but just. Yknow. In general.

I hate this post on a lot of levels.

In a hypothetical situation where Italy WAS coached, Andres could be that coach. And he's still not in thread. So like.

VOTE: Andres

Not specifically for that, but just. Yknow. In general.

Very strange. Looks like he is grasping for a reason to switch his vote.

Willing to vote UC, Kyoko, Ita, Luke today. Anybody else you or they will have to convince me

VOTE: uc[/v]

Also what happened to this ahaha?

rtlotus pretty much said the same thing but dressed up nicer, right above where he says he needs to policy elim me because he can't read me

It ain't that serious lol. Not like I'm out for your head, but it would really help me if you give a bit more than the last times I played with you. I realized that's a bit hypocritical coming from me at this very moment. I'm just not tryna lose a third time in a row to scum!you.

In contrast this is a good post.

Why are you specifically contrasting these posts?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you wanna know more about this just ask me, don’t assume.

Why’d you choose to post this? This is personal curiosity here, I have issue with knowing when to ask questions IRL.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald
Noraa
VFP

UC Voyager
Save The Dragons
JohnnyFarrar
Dunnstral
Andresvmb
ItalianoVD

MaxTheFox
ssbm_Kyouko
RLotus

These are not ordered inside the tiers, but my current thoughts on the player list

Any reasons?

You have not posted anything that makes me feel like you are solving. Only posted content was to TR the most widely TRed player.

Made multiple posts about Kyouko.

RLotus's post 179 caused a gut reaction scum read, and that is all he has posted so far, so there he is

Not much to solve yet IMO. I'll make a reads list tomorrow (it's late where I live) but I'll say one thing: that post smells town to me.

I think we should vote anyone who lurks after a few more pages so more posts come in.

I look forward to your reads
VOTE: Dunnstral

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Gamma Emerald]

And hahaha the thought that I would say I can’t get on to play but would have the time to coach someone is nothing short of laughable. I don’t have to lie about my activity to win a game as Scum.

Yeah apparently we’re partners and you coached me to start posting “differently”. I think it’s more of an insult that if I was scum I’d need coaching.

Actual scumtell right here.

Can you expand on this?
Wrt the parroting, I think it’s not relevant, unless you show Italy doesn’t use that phrase often.
As for asking for a case, that can be construed as a scum behavior, in the sense that a case can be deconstructed and argued against piece-by-piece. But town can also do that, so I don’t see the value of that point.

Essentially I think your scumread on Italy is rather circumstantial currently. I’m not against it, but I’d like a little more to go on.

[Gamma Emerald]

There's scum is Lukewarm, Nora, IVD, and Johny.

Because I saw that they called me town.
And I didn't like it.

Okay. Can you say more about this? It’s a pretty general statement.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And hahaha the thought that I would say I can’t get on to play but would have the time to coach someone is nothing short of laughable. I don’t have to lie about my activity to win a game as Scum.

Yeah apparently we’re partners and you coached me to start posting “differently”. I think it’s more of an insult that if I was scum I’d need coaching.

Actual scumtell right here.

Can you expand on this?
Wrt the parroting, I think it’s not relevant, unless you show Italy doesn’t use that phrase often.
As for asking for a case, that can be construed as a scum behavior, in the sense that a case can be deconstructed and argued against piece-by-piece. But town can also do that, so I don’t see the value of that point.

Essentially I think your scumread on Italy is rather circumstantial currently. I’m not against it, but I’d like a little more to go on.

Italy has never used that verbiage on site before. If you global search him as the author for the keywords "hate" and "levels" there is only the post from this game.

That's a slip, not a coincidence

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's also not that he's asking for a case, it's that he's feigning ignorance as he does so.

[RLotus]

I like what I see from ssbm, it feels like they are making a genuine effort to investigate.

I get the feeling gamma is trying to draw content out of people rather than trying to take advantage of lurker slots.

So, I'm feeling something like this rn

Town lean
IVD
ssbm
Gamma
Nora

Null
Andre
Max
Luke
Save the Dragons
UCV
VFP
Dunn
Johnny

[ItalianoVD]

Town leaning
VFP

Where did this come from?

Tone and gut mainly.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I like what I see from ssbm, it feels like they are making a genuine effort to investigate.

I get the feeling gamma is trying to draw content out of people rather than trying to take advantage of lurker slots.

So, I'm feeling something like this rn

Town lean
IVD
ssbm
Gamma
Nora

Null
Andre
Max
Luke
Save the Dragons
UCV
VFP
Dunn
Johnny

But where is scum?

[RLotus]

I like what I see from ssbm, it feels like they are making a genuine effort to investigate.

I get the feeling gamma is trying to draw content out of people rather than trying to take advantage of lurker slots.

So, I'm feeling something like this rn

Town lean
IVD
ssbm
Gamma
Nora

Null
Andre
Max
Luke
Save the Dragons
UCV
VFP
Dunn
Johnny

But where is scum?

If I had the solve I'd let you know

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hmmmmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why is IVD town?

[ItalianoVD]

It's also not that he's asking for a case, it's that he's feigning ignorance as he does so.

I am asking because I don't remember you actually making a case. You said you didn't like any of the VFP voters and voted for me and have locked in so that everything I do or post you find scum motivation behind it. At this point I'm done responding to you. And please stop making stupid assumptions. You don't understand how annoyed that makes me. I'm being calm but it takes me to the nth degree.

[ItalianoVD]

Sometimes he is, but when he is it doesn’t look like this IMO

Look like what? Can you show me what difference you’re seeing?

I believe Dunnstral should have at least some genuine effort present if he’s lurky town, or at the very least display a specific behavioral pattern
I haven’t seen it yet

Fair enough.

[RLotus]

Why is IVD town?

idk just got a good feeling about that slot