Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[osuka]

like i didnt do it to incriminate hem. the fact that there was _no_ kill at all is what incriminates him, and that's just a consequence of me having protected you because i thought you could be a target. that's for two reasons: 1, i think youre town and most importantly 2, i've openly and strongly defended your slot. so, yes, any scum would probably realize that killing you is a good idea because not only does it get rid of a townie, it also really implicates me ("how was osuka so sure lemons was town?"). part of the reason was self-preservation, honestly, and i guess it worked out

though i suppose sure, now that i've actually written that out it probably does mean that this doesn't implicate hem as much as i thought it did at first

[osuka]

i have to reevaluate this game. i thought this was a possibility but i definitely didnt come in expecting it to be the case so i have some thinking to do

[Cook]

votecount #3, day two

InsidiousLemons (3): humaneatingmonkey, T3, Ivyeo

humaneatingmonkey (2): osuka, VFP
T3 (1): Egix96

osuka (3): InsidiousLemons, Anya, Ivyeo

VFP (1): Umlaut

With 11 alive it takes 6 to flip or no-flip.

[InsidiousLemons]

If nobody else claims something that can stop a kill, then osuka is not a good vote.

Also bugspray was on osuka's e-1 wagon

i have to say, i find dunnstral popping in here

just

to defend osuka, and not to comment on the flip, lack of night kill, hem, vfp, me, or

voice any other thoughts at all

, a little suspect.

while the lack of a counterclaim suggests that there are no protectives in a scum!osuka universe, that alone doesn't really dissuade me in the face of all the other evidence. especially not since, as far as i can see, osuka never even mentioned the lack of a counterclaim in the process of defending himself. you'd think an actual PR would point to that as evidence.

the point about bugspray being on osuka's wagon is a little better. for reference, here's the post where he votes:

that all said: i have no idea what the fuck the votecount is at and i'm about to go to a friend's house here so i'll be on later to figure out what the fuck is going on

i promise to be back tomorrow morning (should be about 12h from now?)

VOTE: osuka you're hammered

this post puts osuka at E-1, and is obviously not a real hammer. if he and osuka are partners, then what is the motivation for making this post? i can find one, but it's pretty convoluted; perhaps bugspray does this to:
1) distance himself from osuka while also
2) creating an opportunity for osuka to fakeclaim without needing to rely on the whim of a townie who's declared intent, and
3) stop momentum on an osuka wagon before it got to the point where an actual townie

could

declare intent

writing this out, it seems a whole lot more complex than anything else we've seen from bugspray. if this is what happened, i'd have to imagine it was osuka's idea. but why make such a risky fakeclaim gambit in the first place?

just

to take heat off the wagon in the wake of a PR claim? was he really formulating his incriminate-hem plan this far back? i have to jump through a lot of hoops to make this make sense, but it's been a long day and i'm very tired. maybe someone else can do a better job.

[InsidiousLemons]

i have to reevaluate this game.

when you're done, let me know if you still think hem scumslipped

[Dunnstral]

i have to say, i find dunnstral popping in here

just

to defend osuka, and not to comment on the flip, lack of night kill, hem, vfp, me, or

voice any other thoughts at all

, a little suspect.

Seemed to work fine on day 1

[Anya]

is this within Lemons scum range?

@Anya

, since you've shown that you use meta and you vouch for Lemons, would you kindly do the honors? I'm absolutely tunneled here, and even if I feel like this vulnerability could never come from scum, I'm almost certain it can. I also objectively think Lemons was outright scummy yesterday.

@Umlaut

, would you kindly tell me what you think about this one?

Lemons, is your solve osuka > VFP? Can you tell me who your solve is?

i go out looking for it maybe once in a green sun if something really interests me

not gonna go fishing for apples walls though that's too much effort

[Anya]

i did so so that HEM could not kill LEMONS

i dunno how you could believe apples was gonna die after bugspray's demise and apples not helping with that

did you "forget" to brutally murder someone to make yourself look certified

[Anya]

If nobody else claims something that can stop a kill, then osuka is not a good vote.

Also bugspray was on osuka's e-1 wagon

i have to say, i find dunnstral popping in here

just

to defend osuka, and not to comment on the flip, lack of night kill, hem, vfp, me, or

voice any other thoughts at all

, a little suspect.

while the lack of a counterclaim suggests that there are no protectives in a scum!osuka universe, that alone doesn't really dissuade me in the face of all the other evidence. especially not since, as far as i can see, osuka never even mentioned the lack of a counterclaim in the process of defending himself. you'd think an actual PR would point to that as evidence.

the point about bugspray being on osuka's wagon is a little better. for reference, here's the post where he votes:

that all said: i have no idea what the fuck the votecount is at and i'm about to go to a friend's house here so i'll be on later to figure out what the fuck is going on

i promise to be back tomorrow morning (should be about 12h from now?)

VOTE: osuka you're hammered

this post puts osuka at E-1, and is obviously not a real hammer. if he and osuka are partners, then what is the motivation for making this post? i can find one, but it's pretty convoluted; perhaps bugspray does this to:
1) distance himself from osuka while also
2) creating an opportunity for osuka to fakeclaim without needing to rely on the whim of a townie who's declared intent, and
3) stop momentum on an osuka wagon before it got to the point where an actual townie

could

declare intent

writing this out, it seems a whole lot more complex than anything else we've seen from bugspray. if this is what happened, i'd have to imagine it was osuka's idea. but why make such a risky fakeclaim gambit in the first place?

just

to take heat off the wagon in the wake of a PR claim? was he really formulating his incriminate-hem plan this far back? i have to jump through a lot of hoops to make this make sense, but it's been a long day and i'm very tired. maybe someone else can do a better job.

wouldn't the simple explanation be to distance

it's really not that complex lemons

i don't like how under the satellite gera and hyena are being right now

[Egix96]

your head isn't on the chopping block

Yeah but it read like you knew you were gonna look bad before the thread even opened.

[Anya]

speak of the hyena

do you think town osuka tries to protect lemons after yesterday?

[Egix96]

don't like how under the satellite gera and hyena are being right now

I feel like I'm trying to tap on the wall of a glass house but the people inside can't hear me.

Okay, to put it in less metaphorical terms: I think that osuka is town, and I do think that Lemons had good associations with bugspray but their entrance to this Day is not good.

[Egix96]

speak of the hyena

do you think town osuka tries to protect lemons after yesterday?

If he thought that Lemons was clear for the same reason I did, then yes.

[Egix96]

How many elims do we have before LYLO?

2 by my count, assuming 2 remaining scum who successfully kill every night.

9v2, miselim + NK > 7v2, miselim + NK > 5v2 (LyLo)

also i know it isn't intentional but i'm gonna remind you that "lynch" is not used anymore

Elo comes at 3v2, not 5v2.

[Egix96]

If nobody else claims something that can stop a kill, then osuka is not a good vote.

Also bugspray was on osuka's e-1 wagon

dunnstral has posted only 29 times in a 54 page game and that's fucking inexcusable, but he _is_ making sense and i suppose that makes his sense to post ratio the highest i've ever seen

^^

[humaneatingmonkey]

If osuka flips TPR, we lynch Lemons. Town!Lemons will never be the NK if he'll be in the chopping block today and a push for his lynch can be pulled off today. We had much more townier folks that came out of Day 1 from bugs lynch. I think the explanation is that Lemons is the one who performed the NK.

If osuka flips scum, I won't be surprised. He didn't crumb. Yesterday's play was atrocious and points to scum. Today's play was atrocious and points to scum. His PR strategy did not make any bit of sense, and he doesn't even have a full grasp of who he did the night action on. And then, we consider if we still want to lynch Lemons or anyone else.

This is the ending of this day.

[InsidiousLemons]

If nobody else claims something that can stop a kill, then osuka is not a good vote.

Also bugspray was on osuka's e-1 wagon

i have to say, i find dunnstral popping in here

just

to defend osuka, and not to comment on the flip, lack of night kill, hem, vfp, me, or

voice any other thoughts at all

, a little suspect.

while the lack of a counterclaim suggests that there are no protectives in a scum!osuka universe, that alone doesn't really dissuade me in the face of all the other evidence. especially not since, as far as i can see, osuka never even mentioned the lack of a counterclaim in the process of defending himself. you'd think an actual PR would point to that as evidence.

the point about bugspray being on osuka's wagon is a little better. for reference, here's the post where he votes:

that all said: i have no idea what the fuck the votecount is at and i'm about to go to a friend's house here so i'll be on later to figure out what the fuck is going on

i promise to be back tomorrow morning (should be about 12h from now?)

VOTE: osuka you're hammered

this post puts osuka at E-1, and is obviously not a real hammer. if he and osuka are partners, then what is the motivation for making this post? i can find one, but it's pretty convoluted; perhaps bugspray does this to:
1) distance himself from osuka while also
2) creating an opportunity for osuka to fakeclaim without needing to rely on the whim of a townie who's declared intent, and
3) stop momentum on an osuka wagon before it got to the point where an actual townie

could

declare intent

writing this out, it seems a whole lot more complex than anything else we've seen from bugspray. if this is what happened, i'd have to imagine it was osuka's idea. but why make such a risky fakeclaim gambit in the first place?

just

to take heat off the wagon in the wake of a PR claim? was he really formulating his incriminate-hem plan this far back? i have to jump through a lot of hoops to make this make sense, but it's been a long day and i'm very tired. maybe someone else can do a better job.

wouldn't the simple explanation be to distance

it's really not that complex lemons

i don't like how under the satellite gera and hyena are being right now

yeah you're right lol the explanation still makes sense if you just leave out points 2 and 3

okay i think we can safely disregard Dunn's point about bugs being on his wagon then because 880 could easily just be distancing

[InsidiousLemons]

If osuka flips TPR, we lynch Lemons. Town!Lemons will never be the NK if he'll be in the chopping block today and a push for his lynch can be pulled off today. We had much more townier folks that came out of Day 1 from bugs lynch. I think the explanation is that Lemons is the one who performed the NK.

If osuka flips scum, I won't be surprised. He didn't crumb. Yesterday's play was atrocious and points to scum. Today's play was atrocious and points to scum. His PR strategy did not make any bit of sense, and he doesn't even have a full grasp of who he did the night action on. And then, we consider if we still want to lynch Lemons or anyone else.

This is the ending of this day.

if osuka flips TPR then we flip the one person who's softcleared as a result? yeah, no. as far as i know, rolestops don't do anything to prevent outgoing actions, so if i was trying to perform the night kill i still would've been able to. why are you trying so hard to make me guilty by association even on a townflip? unless i'm misreading, this push for my lim tomorrow doesn't make any sense if osuka really is TPR

i would like to hold off on osuka's elimination until after he reevaluates, because even a fake reevaluation will give us more info to go on after the flip. agreed?

[InsidiousLemons]

your head isn't on the chopping block

Yeah but it read like you knew you were gonna look bad before the thread even opened.

well, yeah, i did. did you even read the end of the day yesterday? it was pretty obvious that i was gonna be a high value target today. an explanation for my behaviour was definitely warranted.

[InsidiousLemons]

i have to say, i find dunnstral popping in here

just

to defend osuka, and not to comment on the flip, lack of night kill, hem, vfp, me, or

voice any other thoughts at all

, a little suspect.

Seemed to work fine on day 1

what the fuck is this supposed to mean? you popped in once to tell us to unvote him after the claim, but other than that i can't see any examples of you posting

just

to defend another player. what even is your objective with this post, other than to gloat about how you've survived despite doing almost literally nothing all game?

[InsidiousLemons]

heading to work so i won't be able to post or read much for the next ~8 hours. don't end the day while i'm gone or i will be a very sour lemon

[humaneatingmonkey]

I misunderstood the power of rolestopper. It's not meant to stop outgoing actions. I understand.

[InsidiousLemons]

so you just didn't bother to question why everyone has been freaking out over that exact distinction in terms for the past several pages?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i thought it stops all role actions. inbound and outbound.

[T3]

catching up.