Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ehh, I don't think so because he jumped on Andres after calling out Noraa for splitting votes

I didn't scumread Dunn, unlike Noraa. That's why I questioned Noraa about it. Noraa there, scumreading both, would be better served with one big pressure wagon than two small ones, no?

then jumped on RLotus not for his own reasoning,

Do town not sheep?

Maybe it's the lack of sleep, but being the shitty counter wagon to Lotus is frustrating

[Noraa]

I'm having issues settling on a wagon. and more than normal. so idk someone else gotta be the town leader.

[Lukewarm]

Also, if I am right about Kyouko, I think Gamma is his partner.

But the Gamma read is a association based, so I would only push there if Kyouko flips red.

Spoiler:

Willing to vote UC, Kyoko, Ita, Luke today. Anybody else you or they will have to convince me

VOTE: uc[/v]

Luke is town

Literally every stance Kyouko has made feels off to me. Like they are hunting for excuses to scum read people (which scum do), instead of actually reading people (which townies do)

VOTE: Kyouko

I can see this, something seems off about that last wall

my suggestion is to either yeet Andres or Dunn.
It seems stupid to be going and yeeting Ita, VFP, or Mon who are all known to be LHF.

Dunn wagon has a decent amount of resistance. Tbh im really uncertain on Dunn but I do think that if he doesn't start towning up, he maybe should die today because if he is scum and gets replaced, its very damn possible that I'll just let him go and the replacement will slip by for a long time and that's horrible. And Andres dipped off saying he was drunk and still hasn't come back. I have a specific reason why I think Andres is scum which, if he is scum and comes back to the thread, I think I can verify. If he doesn't come back, then he needs to be replaced. However, I do also hope he doesn't rep out cuz my tell won't necessarily work on someone else. I think that if both Dunn and Andres get replaced, we should yeet Andres because im more confident in that being scum(kinda) I dunno im just still very weirded out that I dont have a solid read on Dunn at this point. Normally, like 3 posts in, I should already know exactly what alignment he is!!!!

I don't plan on needing a replacement...

That’s not what called for a response in that post

VOTE: Dunnstral
I would like to actively push this atp

No one asked, but this is why I feel like Gamma is partnered with Kyouko. Me and Kyouko have a decently sized back and forth about my scum read on him ending in post 259

Gamma comes in, after the entire back and forth is over, and has this have this very quick progression on the topic

• Luke is town (263)
  
• I agree that this could be suspicious (265)
  
• But look, Dunn (266)
  
• Lets actually talk about him (267)

Like they are all back to back, and look to me like they are actively trying to redirect the conversation without appearing to defend their partner.

It is the weird "I TR the person making the accusation, and even agree that Kyouko seems off, but lets not talk about that. Lets talk about a lurker instead."

So, incase anyone was interested where I am at, I am still leaning towards Kyouko for a vote today because it would give me more info on whether that really was a scum partner save from Gamma, or if Gamma really is town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also, if I am right about Kyouko, I think Gamma is his partner.

But the Gamma read is a association based, so I would only push there if Kyouko flips red.

Spoiler:

Willing to vote UC, Kyoko, Ita, Luke today. Anybody else you or they will have to convince me

VOTE: uc[/v]

Luke is town

Literally every stance Kyouko has made feels off to me. Like they are hunting for excuses to scum read people (which scum do), instead of actually reading people (which townies do)

VOTE: Kyouko

I can see this, something seems off about that last wall

my suggestion is to either yeet Andres or Dunn.
It seems stupid to be going and yeeting Ita, VFP, or Mon who are all known to be LHF.

Dunn wagon has a decent amount of resistance. Tbh im really uncertain on Dunn but I do think that if he doesn't start towning up, he maybe should die today because if he is scum and gets replaced, its very damn possible that I'll just let him go and the replacement will slip by for a long time and that's horrible. And Andres dipped off saying he was drunk and still hasn't come back. I have a specific reason why I think Andres is scum which, if he is scum and comes back to the thread, I think I can verify. If he doesn't come back, then he needs to be replaced. However, I do also hope he doesn't rep out cuz my tell won't necessarily work on someone else. I think that if both Dunn and Andres get replaced, we should yeet Andres because im more confident in that being scum(kinda) I dunno im just still very weirded out that I dont have a solid read on Dunn at this point. Normally, like 3 posts in, I should already know exactly what alignment he is!!!!

I don't plan on needing a replacement...

That’s not what called for a response in that post

VOTE: Dunnstral
I would like to actively push this atp

No one asked, but this is why I feel like Gamma is partnered with Kyouko. Me and Kyouko have a decently sized back and forth about my scum read on him ending in post 259

Gamma comes in, after the entire back and forth is over, and has this have this very quick progression on the topic

• Luke is town (263)
  
• I agree that this could be suspicious (265)
  
• But look, Dunn (266)
  
• Lets actually talk about him (267)

Like they are all back to back, and look to me like they are actively trying to redirect the conversation without appearing to defend their partner.

It is the weird "I TR the person making the accusation, and even agree that Kyouko seems off, but lets not talk about that. Lets talk about a lurker instead."

So, incase anyone was interested where I am at, I am still leaning towards Kyouko for a vote today because it would give me more info on whether that really was a scum partner save from Gamma, or if Gamma really is town.

I'm town so if you are also you should think about whether this fits a situation where Gamma is scum trying to buddy/pocket me or whatever you want to call it.

Personally I think it's more likely he is town here but I did think something was off about interactions between myself, Gamma, and Noraa early on. Just a feeling.

[Lukewarm]

Also, if I am right about Kyouko, I think Gamma is his partner.

But the Gamma read is a association based, so I would only push there if Kyouko flips red.

Spoiler:

Willing to vote UC, Kyoko, Ita, Luke today. Anybody else you or they will have to convince me

VOTE: uc[/v]

Luke is town

Literally every stance Kyouko has made feels off to me. Like they are hunting for excuses to scum read people (which scum do), instead of actually reading people (which townies do)

VOTE: Kyouko

I can see this, something seems off about that last wall

my suggestion is to either yeet Andres or Dunn.
It seems stupid to be going and yeeting Ita, VFP, or Mon who are all known to be LHF.

Dunn wagon has a decent amount of resistance. Tbh im really uncertain on Dunn but I do think that if he doesn't start towning up, he maybe should die today because if he is scum and gets replaced, its very damn possible that I'll just let him go and the replacement will slip by for a long time and that's horrible. And Andres dipped off saying he was drunk and still hasn't come back. I have a specific reason why I think Andres is scum which, if he is scum and comes back to the thread, I think I can verify. If he doesn't come back, then he needs to be replaced. However, I do also hope he doesn't rep out cuz my tell won't necessarily work on someone else. I think that if both Dunn and Andres get replaced, we should yeet Andres because im more confident in that being scum(kinda) I dunno im just still very weirded out that I dont have a solid read on Dunn at this point. Normally, like 3 posts in, I should already know exactly what alignment he is!!!!

I don't plan on needing a replacement...

That’s not what called for a response in that post

VOTE: Dunnstral
I would like to actively push this atp

No one asked, but this is why I feel like Gamma is partnered with Kyouko. Me and Kyouko have a decently sized back and forth about my scum read on him ending in post 259

Gamma comes in, after the entire back and forth is over, and has this have this very quick progression on the topic

• Luke is town (263)
  
• I agree that this could be suspicious (265)
  
• But look, Dunn (266)
  
• Lets actually talk about him (267)

Like they are all back to back, and look to me like they are actively trying to redirect the conversation without appearing to defend their partner.

It is the weird "I TR the person making the accusation, and even agree that Kyouko seems off, but lets not talk about that. Lets talk about a lurker instead."

So, incase anyone was interested where I am at, I am still leaning towards Kyouko for a vote today because it would give me more info on whether that really was a scum partner save from Gamma, or if Gamma really is town.

I'm town so if you are also you should think about whether this fits a situation where Gamma is scum trying to buddy/pocket me or whatever you want to call it.

Personally I think it's more likely he is town here but I did think something was off about interactions between myself, Gamma, and Noraa early on. Just a feeling.

I do not think it makes sense for him to have been trying to pocket either you or me tbh.

If he was trying to pocket you, then he would not have agreed with my scum read logic towards you. If he was trying to pocket me, I feel like he would have joined me in my push.

So imo, the only situation where I come away from this interaction thinking Gamma is scum, is if you are scum

[Noraa]

mmm I dont really buy the gamma/ssb case. its a bit far fetched. I think they could be buddies but probs not because of that. it seems really specific and things that specific aren't the most reliable imo.

[Lukewarm]

mmm I dont really buy the gamma/ssb case. its a bit far fetched. I think they could be buddies but probs not because of that. it seems really specific and things that specific aren't the most reliable imo.

Well, my case against Kyouko had nothing to do with Gamma, and is my stronger read of the two.

Gamma is more of an after thought to that one tbh

[Noraa]

Gamma is more of an after thought to that one tbh

that's kind of what I thought. but I think you're slightly confbiasing.
ok so I think I've settled on a read on ssb and it could be wrong but I wanna share it with you to get your opinion. I think ssb is town. A lot of their posts show this frustration that I *have* seen scum replicate but is kind of difficult to replicate. It's this annoyance that he's not being showy about. Like over the course of this game, for the most part ssb has been drowned out and ignored to some extent but 1) he's still trying and 2) he's not trying to show us that he's annoyed/upset, its being conveyed in a very subtle way.

At least, I personally feel those emotions. Whether or not other people do, idk. but I think he's town.

also I've decided that I dont want to read that large chunk of things that ssb told me to read. I dont feel like it.

[Lukewarm]

Gamma is more of an after thought to that one tbh

that's kind of what I thought. but I think you're slightly confbiasing.
ok so I think I've settled on a read on ssb and it could be wrong but I wanna share it with you to get your opinion. I think ssb is town. A lot of their posts show this frustration that I *have* seen scum replicate but is kind of difficult to replicate. It's this annoyance that he's not being showy about. Like over the course of this game, for the most part ssb has been drowned out and ignored to some extent but 1) he's still trying and 2) he's not trying to show us that he's annoyed/upset, its being conveyed in a very subtle way.

At least, I personally feel those emotions. Whether or not other people do, idk. but I think he's town.

also I've decided that I dont want to read that large chunk of things that ssb told me to read. I dont feel like it.

How you gonna describe exactly how I have felt this game, then give those feelings to Kyouko

A big part of the reason why my read on Kyouko hasn't changed is because absolutely no one engaged with our back and forth. You and Gamma are the only people I saw comment on the conversation, you openly said that you did not read it, and Gamma tried to change to topic without engaging.

And I cannot figure out why there was no one who agreed with me AND there was no one who bothered to tell me my read/logic was shit.

My best guess is that the scum are in the active players this game, and the scum did not want to agree with it (because it was their partner) but they also did not want to appear like they were defending him.

So, if I am wrong, can I get like 5 people to tell me my Kyouko case was shitty, so I can feel like town actually read it

[Noraa]

How you gonna describe exactly how I have felt this game, then give those feelings to Kyouko

ummmmmmm idk lol and rip man that sucks

[Noraa]

A big part of the reason why my read on Kyouko hasn't changed is because absolutely no one engaged with our back and forth. You and Gamma are the only people I saw comment on the conversation, you openly said that you did not read it, and Gamma tried to change to topic without engaging.

And I cannot figure out why there was no one who agreed with me AND there was no one who bothered to tell me my read/logic was shit.

lemme get this right. so you think ur read is bad?
yeah I did not read it and I dont plan on reading it. chances are that most people skipped over it. if you wanna summarize it, I'm willing to read summaries.

[Noraa]

My best guess is that the scum are in the active players this game, and the scum did not want to agree with it (because it was their partner) but they also did not want to appear like they were defending him.

this logic is wrong. I've made multiple cases as town on town that everyone ignored. I dont think it has anything to do with ssb's alignment. its more that people are lazy asses and dont like reading long things.

[Lukewarm]

Fuck it. time to turn off brain this game and sheep Noraa I guess

VOTE: rlotus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

L-1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Btw, out-of-game post,

I noticed everyone is saying lim like short for eliminate? Is it nor appropriate to use the L word on site anymore? haven't played in a while. I notice even the mod says "to reach majority."

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yeah it's got some really negative connotations

[Lukewarm]

Btw, out-of-game post,

I noticed everyone is saying lim like short for eliminate? Is it nor appropriate to use the L word on site anymore? haven't played in a while. I notice even the mod says "to reach majority."

It is my understanding that the L word is frowned upon. Someone said something to me my first game because I did not know

[JohnnyFarrar]

Btw, out-of-game post,

I noticed everyone is saying lim like short for eliminate? Is it nor appropriate to use the L word on site anymore? haven't played in a while. I notice even the mod says "to reach majority."

It is my understanding that the L word is frowned upon. Someone said something to me my first game because I did not know

No one's mad when we have to correct people, it just doesn't take a huge leap in logic to understand why that word is off putting to large swaths of people

Also Luke I took a cold shower and forced myself to focus, and I gotta agree w/ Noraa. The associative is there, but only if Kyoko is scum, which I just don't see.

[MaxTheFox]

Any responses to my reads?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Andres kinda hit it in 460 when they said you don't stand out. That readslist with little to no explanation or follow through failed to leave much of an impact on me, max. If you feel strongly about any of the reads I suggest you explain them.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Any responses to my reads?

Can you elaborate on VFP? Most of the rest of your reads look kind of generic/popular. Since RLotus is L-1 and you TR him, can you give any reasons you TR him?

[VFP]

Intent to hammer

[MaxTheFox]

Any responses to my reads?

Can you elaborate on VFP? Most of the rest of your reads look kind of generic/popular. Since RLotus is L-1 and you TR him, can you give any reasons you TR him?

Something about this post in particular just feels... off. I can't put my finger on it.

Because I saw that they called me town.
And I didn't like it.

RLotus seems more like a confused town than a scum. There's the extremely weird push on him for reading active people as town which is ??????????
What if none of them seem scummy to him? What's he supposed to say then, lie about a scumread?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Any responses to my reads?

Can you elaborate on VFP? Most of the rest of your reads look kind of generic/popular. Since RLotus is L-1 and you TR him, can you give any reasons you TR him?

Something about this post in particular just feels... off. I can't put my finger on it.

Because I saw that they called me town.
And I didn't like it.

RLotus seems more like a confused town than a scum. There's the extremely weird push on him for reading active people as town which is ??????????
What if none of them seem scummy to him? What's he supposed to say then, lie about a scumread?

372 was not referring to RLotus at all you know... What makes you think he is confused? I don't get that from his posts at all.

[samantha97]

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