Newbie 2064 - (GG)

[JacksonVirgo]

JV what's with this tone change after you got scumread?

I'm trying to read the game with a fresh outlook. It has nothing to do with being scum-read directly.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're going to call me scummy for it, just say so instead of shading me for it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think you're scum but I'm getting a confusing tone read.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think you're scum but I'm getting a confusing tone read.

What's this about a tone read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I would have expected that you'll be pushed to a stronger defensive reaction if I called you out, but you mellowed and even went back to have a calmer conversation with James. I can see that you might just be placating aggression towards you when you saw that what you're doing isn't working, but I just don't really know anymore.

[humaneatingmonkey]

This is usually the part that I would push your buttons and get emotional reactions, but I'm hesitating to put you into that spot again because you expressed some remorse and made yourself vulnerable. Honestly, I feel manipulated.

[JamesTheNames]

Btw, if Fizz flips red, his partner definitely bussed.

You think so?
If Jackson Hammers
Those who voted for Fizz Raab:
JacksonVirgo, humaneatingmonkey, navigatorv, JohnnyFarrar, orctin
Those who did not:
JamesTheNames, Dum, NinjaStore

If Fizz flips red I'm voting NinjaStore
397, 401, 404 and 405. Based off of these, and the fact at the time these were made Fizz Raab was at E-2. Surely NinjaStore would have voted here? NinjaStore made a claim in 397, which, I personally would consider as something to give scum vibes. 401 and 405 look like NinjaStore is trying to allow Fizz Raab to excuse themselves, then NinjaStore would try to defend them. This is only if Fizz Raab would flip red.

Btw, if Fizz flips red, his partner definitely bussed.

You think so?
If Jackson Hammers
Those who voted for Fizz Raab:
JacksonVirgo, humaneatingmonkey, navigatorv, JohnnyFarrar, orctin
Those who did not:
JamesTheNames, Dum, NinjaStore

If Fizz flips red I'm voting NinjaStore
397, 401, 404 and 405. Based off of these, and the fact at the time these were made Fizz Raab was at E-2. Surely NinjaStore would have voted here? NinjaStore made a claim in 397, which, I personally would consider as something to give scum vibes. 401 and 405 look like NinjaStore is trying to allow Fizz Raab to excuse themselves, then NinjaStore would try to defend them. This is only if Fizz Raab would flip red.

401 is why I hadn't voted him yet.

I take back what I said, I decided to read through orctin's posts. I find it strange or, too coincidental, the timings for him to join wagons.

[JacksonVirgo]

I would have expected that you'll be pushed to a stronger defensive reaction if I called you out, but you mellowed and even went back to have a calmer conversation with James. I can see that you might just be placating aggression towards you when you saw that what you're doing isn't working, but I just don't really know anymore.

Oh I see, consider your vote kind of like a catalyst that exploded my frustration at the game so much I had to take a step back and reconsider a lot of things. Don't get me wrong, I still scum-read James but I feel if I get an understanding of everyone's individual perspectives without having the "heat" of the moment manipulating my perspective maybe I will be able to identify the flaws in my logic more than I would have before.

[JacksonVirgo]

This is usually the part that I would push your buttons and get emotional reactions, but I'm hesitating to put you into that spot again because you expressed some remorse and made yourself vulnerable. Honestly, I feel manipulated.

You feel manipulated? What do you mean? Are you saying you're having doubts about your read on me, but throw it up to being manipulated over noticing that everything else isn't pointing towards the same outcome as the original proposed slip would suggest.

[JacksonVirgo]

That looks a lot more aggressive than I meant it to be

[JohnnyFarrar]

Lol you did a A to my E and now I'm all a tizzy

[JacksonVirgo]

Lol you did a A to my E and now I'm all a tizzy

Who is this directed towards may I ask?

[JohnnyFarrar]

My impression of monkey saying they feel manipulated

[JacksonVirgo]

What's the point of a question mark, when the words Who, What, When, Where, Why and How all suggest it's a question anyway. That and a question generally has a different verbal tone than other sentences and thus having the punctuation to signal that it is a question at the end is very bad design.

This is literally a 3am thought from Jacko (well 3:30am)

[JamesTheNames]

What's the point of a question mark, when the words Who, What, When, Where, Why and How all suggest it's a question anyway. That and a question generally has a different verbal tone than other sentences and thus having the punctuation to signal that it is a question at the end is very bad design.

This is literally a 3am thought from Jacko (well 3:30am)

"I don't know how/what/who/when/why/where."
"I have no doubt as to how/what/who/when/why/where."
"What implies a question"

Statements vs Questions as above.
In actual speak a change in tone depicts a question, you can't do this online, so instead you use a ?, the 3rd example is important as you don't know if it is a question, or a statement, without the punctuation at the end or the tone.

[JacksonVirgo]

What's the point of a question mark, when the words Who, What, When, Where, Why and How all suggest it's a question anyway. That and a question generally has a different verbal tone than other sentences and thus having the punctuation to signal that it is a question at the end is very bad design.

This is literally a 3am thought from Jacko (well 3:30am)

"I don't know how/what/who/when/why/where."
"I have no doubt as to how/what/who/when/why/where."
"What implies a question"

Statements vs Questions as above.
In actual speak a change in tone depicts a question, you can't do this online, so instead you use a ?, the 3rd example is important as you don't know if it is a question, or a statement, without the punctuation at the end or the tone.

I know that saying one of those words mid-sentence doesn't denote it as a question but usually at the very start it does. Except that very last example, which is probably a valid reason to use a question mark maybe I can sleep easy now aha

[humaneatingmonkey]

You feel manipulated? What do you mean? Are you saying you're having doubts about your read on me, but throw it up to being manipulated over noticing that everything else isn't pointing towards the same outcome as the original proposed slip would suggest.

I have no idea how you play as scum, nor do I have any idea what kind of emotional range your scumplay has. This might just be good emotional scumplay. What you're doing is enough to make me question my read on you, but I'm not really sure where to proceed from here.

I'm thinking out loud because I can always look back to this moment and remember what I felt like. And maybe others too.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm just saying that pretending to blow a gasket and a subsequent epiphany isn't against the rules to use as scum nor has it been never done before.

[JacksonVirgo]

You feel manipulated? What do you mean? Are you saying you're having doubts about your read on me, but throw it up to being manipulated over noticing that everything else isn't pointing towards the same outcome as the original proposed slip would suggest.

I have no idea how you play as scum, nor do I have any idea what kind of emotional range your scumplay has. This might just be good emotional scumplay. What you're doing is enough to make me question my read on you, but I'm not really sure where to proceed from here.

I'm thinking out loud because I can always look back to this moment and remember what I felt like. And maybe others too.

My scum-play is primarily based on making near-perfect mechanical plays where applicable and controlling the Town to push my own agenda. Feel free to look into my games to confirm this yourself instead of needing to trust my word. Check my wiki page for a current list of my games or at least I think it's current.

[JacksonVirgo]

@James was your read on Dum only based on me being scum with them?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm off to sleep now

[JamesTheNames]

@James was your read on Dum only based on me being scum with them?

No, the premise just strengthened it.

[Dum]

Making this pos just to say im still alive (and keeping up with the thread) just not posting a whole lot because of IRL stuff. Will try to post more on the weekend

[humaneatingmonkey]

The day is ending in less than 48 hours Dum. Might be good to hear more of you then

[JamesTheNames]

Making this pos just to say im still alive (and keeping up with the thread) just not posting a whole lot because of IRL stuff. Will try to post more on the weekend

Even anything brief would be phenomenal