Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Sigmund]

If we do some mass claim nonsense to try to break the game it will be an insult to unwnd and unfun.

[Chara]

So, hypothetically speaking, as town you would have announced that you debuffed us?

~notneuter

no? in a claim situation scum is going to lie, where if town sees fit to claim it's generally not a good idea to lie.

i'm not going to go into a bunch of different scenarios where one would lie or tell the truth about a debuff as town/scum, when the point of my post was to illustrate a scenario where the investigation has an actual use.

[Chara]

If we do some mass claim nonsense to try to break the game it will be an insult to unwnd and unfun.

<3

[White Fire]

What is the town motivation for just claiming like that?

Shea, I know you were not in it, but something INCREDIBLY similar to this was used to clear LLD in FGO mafia (I was the mod) where all of town had a thing, but didn't know that the others had the thing, and somebody stepped forward confident that THE THING gave them ultimate cosmic duty to get an upgrade/shiny.

That is how I read Toog's play.

"I have this shiny thing and it seems unique and suspicious enough to me that I feel the need to claim about it, lest somebody investigate me and it comes out as a wasted fake guilty gotcha"

So I'm town reading it more than just a miller claim.

~Neuter

The levels of meta play going through ur head. Fascinating

[Save The Dragons]

not really the reaction i was expecting but okay

[Thestatusquo]

Shea do u not think the claim indicates anything or u just arguing that it didn't have town motivation

I'm saying I don't think the claim has any intrinsic town motivation for making it, and mainly I'm concerned with it being given a pass just because its a weird thing to do, which is something I think towns do a lot and its exploitable.

In terms of the actual ability claimed it seems to have more anti-town than pro-town utility to me but this game is intricate enough that I don't feel super comfortable just straight up thinking its more likely to be a scum role than a town role.

[Something_Smart]

I guess my question is: What is the town motivation for just claiming like that?

I mean, it seems like it was from a (real or emulated) mindset of "there's no point in hiding my role if it seems useless, so I might as well let people know so they can help me figure out what to do with it". Which is not entirely true, but it's not crazy.

[Chara]

Doesn't seem like a grab for towncred, though, and also that's just kind of a weak action to have on a third party. Though I guess it depends what their wincon is.

I guess my question is: What is the town motivation for just claiming like that?

I feel like very often someone does something odd and everyone is like "oh, they did x odd thing they're less likely to be scum" without ever examining why town would be more likely to do X odd thing. It's definitely a mindset from town that I've exploited before as scum.

it's behavior i've seen a lot from town, and the reason i get occasionally tilted about it in themes.

in this case i would say Toog isn't sure how to use their role and thought it would be easier to crowdsource feedback.

[jjh927]

Chara, play pikmin again

Pikmin is the greatest game series of all time

Did you know it's pikmin's 20th anniversary in october? And that pikmin 3 deluxe is the best selling game in the franchise?

Do nintendo know I would pay full price for ports of pikmin 1 and 2 on the switch?

i've been pocketed by jjh.

but i don't need ports, i have a wii u. all it does is play wind waker and pikmin 3. i love my wii u.

I also have a wii u but I still want ports and also pikmin 4 please

[Thestatusquo]

If we do some mass claim nonsense to try to break the game it will be an insult to unwnd and unfun.

As a mod of a lot of large themes I will not be participating in any mass claim nonsense.

If the setup is designed well it won't do anything, and indeed as a mod when I make setups I explicitly punish for being too loose with hidden information. I'm sure cabd is going to try because that's what cabd does but I'm not participating in it.

[morph the cat]

I'm sure cabd is going to try because that's what cabd does but I'm not participating in it.

Not at all.

I don't intend to encourage anyone else to go down this path.

It was a one time use thing, and it appears Toog used it.

I agree that unwnd likely designed roles that punish massclaim.


~Neuter

[Something_Smart]

"I have this shiny thing and it seems unique and suspicious enough to me that I feel the need to claim about it, lest somebody investigate me and it comes out as a wasted fake guilty gotcha"

That doesn't seem like what they said, though? They didn't say anything about getting investigated.

[Something_Smart]

If we do some mass claim nonsense to try to break the game it will be an insult to unwnd and unfun.

And more importantly, it won't work. (Hopefully!)

[morph the cat]

"I have this shiny thing and it seems unique and suspicious enough to me that I feel the need to claim about it, lest somebody investigate me and it comes out as a wasted fake guilty gotcha"

That doesn't seem like what they said, though? They didn't say anything about getting investigated.

It's amazing what the power of thinking about another player's mindset and projecting a "town toog model" can do, isn't it?

~Neuter

[Chara]

"I have this shiny thing and it seems unique and suspicious enough to me that I feel the need to claim about it, lest somebody investigate me and it comes out as a wasted fake guilty gotcha"

That doesn't seem like what they said, though? They didn't say anything about getting investigated.

the principle is more about it being a towntell because the player engaging in it had less information that scum did. in FGO, the scum had multiple roles to look at and so they could see something every role PM had, where the townie in question in FGO thought their role was uber special.

i disagree that it's as much of a slamdunk here, it's a different situation and there was no townslip.
it's just a very towny action thanks to the lack of info that appeared to be motivating it.

[Chara]

"I have this shiny thing and it seems unique and suspicious enough to me that I feel the need to claim about it, lest somebody investigate me and it comes out as a wasted fake guilty gotcha"

That doesn't seem like what they said, though? They didn't say anything about getting investigated.

It's amazing what the power of thinking about another player's mindset and projecting a "town toog model" can do, isn't it?

~Neuter

i really thought this was a different player calling out Neuter for TMIing Toog as town. lmao

[White Fire]

reads:
titus town
morph the cat very likely town
toog likely town
chara scum

anyways going back to work cya laterzs

[Thestatusquo]

I'm sure cabd is going to try because that's what cabd does but I'm not participating in it.

Not at all.

I don't intend to encourage anyone else to go down this path.

It was a one time use thing, and it appears Toog used it.

I agree that unwnd likely designed roles that punish massclaim.


~Neuter

Fair enough, I have you pegged as the "break the setup guy."

Well, I guess its not fair because both you and jingle are here. I was assuming there would be at least some d1 attempt at it.

[morph the cat]

Uwnd has waxed poetic about the setup, and I doubt bork let anything breaking through.

Breaking opens and semi opens yeah sure.

This is a fully hidden extremely mechanically complex theme, no thanks.

(Although in fairness it worked out for dumb reasons for your among us town)

~neuter

[Thestatusquo]

I still think they just got lucky there and actually the claiming hampered their ability to win way more than it helped.

[morph the cat]

Yes, hence "dumb reasons"

[Guillotina]

ATTENTION EVERYONE! LOOK. AT THE SPOILER!

Spoiler:

[jjh927]

VOTE: Guillotina

[Farkran]

unwnd is totally stoned face for this. I joked if I should roll a d20 for a skill check on my night action... Didn't even get a "lol" out of them.

Anyways. I have a pretty questionable innate action, and even more questionably use SP skill.

My innate skill is I can check people's current HP. I checked Save The Dragons last night (random.org). They have 3 HP. Comparatively, I have 5 HP.

My other ability, which costs 2 SP is to check a target and see if they are using SP as well the same night. I didn't use it last night.

My "class," is called Sovereign. I'm royalty or something.

This is town to me

[Guillotina]

Now that you realized who just got here, wolves may start shitting their pants and the rest may continue posting.