Newbie 2065 | The Backrooms | Endgame

[MixLixWix]

Hello I am here. Wifi/power was unstable yesterday. Will post here in about half an hour. Mainly just letting mod know I'm fine with this post.

[Gypyx]

as long as you deliver said content soon i'll let you off

[Lukewarm]

UNVOTE:

General question for everyone. What's usually worth looking more into? An E-2 vote or an E-1 vote?

And since I want to put my vote somewhere else, VOTE: Egix96

I think depends on how T3 flips.

Before Zyla voted, there was basically 1 person vocally pushing on him (me) and 1 person who was arguable trying to shift the focus off of himself (Wayward Son). Zyla hitched herself to that, putting him at e-2 and making it properly a wagon. That seems too early to bus, but about the right time for scum to join a wagon on a townie. So I think her slot will get some townie points if T3 does flip scum, but both me and Zyla will look pretty bad if he flips town.

Egix putting him at e-1 I think is equally likely from either alignment. I can easily see town!egix having a scum read on T3 by that point, but it also comes about the time that T3 starts changing around his reads, so maybe around the time the scum team decided that T3 was a sinking ship.

So overall, I think I want to look at the Zyla slot after a T3 flip, but I am not sure that the Egix vote helps me sort him.

[Egix96]

Also, interesting to know about the vote but idk how that checks out. The post you voted T3 with explicitly says you spent a couple hours reading posts, and my only major post at the time mentioned that he was at E-2 and that anyone putting him at E-1 should be looked at. The part of my post you quoted and said you liked states this in the very next line. I'm not trying to fish for a "gotcha" moment here but I just find it hard to believe that you wouldn't have known.

While reading the five people after you in alphabetical order I must have forgotten you had said that

[MixLixWix]

So I am/been running into the issue of a lot of people looking scummy to me; far beyond the two scum slots in the game. If anyone has any advice for this, I would love to hear it. Currently though, I feel I need to be a bit more black and white with how I am reading into things. Stuff like Wayward early tone, as I will explain below, I am hyper-fixaiting on rather than the bigger picture maybe? Not only should it help make it clear what I think, but also should narrow down the pool hopefully?

Speaking of being clearer, here are some answers or clarifications:

Spoiler:

I am a bit wary that you appear to have discounted so many of the people that have not posted very much yet tho. Like, Egix, The Bulge, and [the Opposite slot] are all still sitting in null for me.

It was more I didn't have much feelings on them due to most not posting a lot. Since they were nullish, I elected to not bring them up to try and provoke discussion among those who were posting. It is also why I felt the need to revaluate in 68 because my pool was already a bit bloated prior to them getting reads as well.

Mix - I think that their questioning of people has been fine, but I'm a bit weirded out by their 68 because not only do they seem to have too many suspects, but they also seemingly suspect Wayward just for being hard to read?

I don't think I explained my wayward pings in [p]68[/p] fully well, so I'll redo it here. Basically I've been struggling with understanding wayward's early posts. Tonally they didn't feel like they were coming from town due to how forced/awkward his posting seemed. This stuck out to me as a nagging feeling. What made it hard to say it was scum though was trying to assert a motivation for his posts early on top of the tone. I couldn't really tell if that was how he talked (as I remembered signing up after him and saw a few of his posts in the newbie queue, which in lack of a way to put it showed character) or if it was scum being weird.

Mix gives me similar vibes. Though I'm noticing they also both seemed to buddy up almost immediately. Have you two played together before?

No, first game of forum mafia for me.

As for right now, I have wayward up higher now. Their 91 and 124 shows some promise. The latter especially since it calls out part of the contraction I say in Roden's post. I reread the newbie queue to understand their posting habits better, and I feel fine leaving up the oddness of the slot's words to their posting style/who they are. I'd like more posts, but I want to look elsewhere than here.
UNVOTE:

This gets me to Roden. I find myself not really liking a lot of their posts. Luke/wayward pointed out some stuff that I picked up on. Their intro post was pretty noncommital despite the amount that was written. The lukewarm progression I also do not really understand at all. What hasn't been mentioned that has rubbed me wrong is the following:

Assuming he flips scum, I think he started playing up his stated scum meta when it got brought up and further analyzed since it would be fair to assume we would start looking for it. I believe he wants to put

you[Likewarm], me, and Wayward

in a WIFOM situation in hope of keeping the focus on the three of us once Day 2 starts. It's not like anyone else is really getting looked at anyway, right?

Not saying the three of us are cleared btw. But I believe scum will want to keep the three of us alive no matter the results of the flip.

Personally, I think Bulge dies tonight, and I'll be looking more closely at Egix, Mix, Xlos, and Zyla tomorrow, assuming I survive.

The underline bothers me for two reasons. One is the tactic of associated towniness. I am not quite sure if it has an actual name, less so on here. But when I play IRL as scum, I heavily use this tactic. Basically, you find those who town heavily thinks is townie (like Lukewarm) and use language to associate yourself with them. Stuff like "Luke and I have been", "We might not be townie, but I feel X about us.", etc. This builds the notion in other heads that you and who you choose to associate with are collectively townie including you. There is more you can do with this of course later in the game. Roden does this two times. One by implying the trio of him, Luke, and Wayward are in a WIFOM situation which doesn't make sense. His rational for this statement is that no one else is getting looked at but them, but that isn't true. Not only would a T3 flip HEAVILY imply a town!Luke, but others are actually getting looked at like Zyla this phase. The statement plays up the fear of something non-realistic to multiply the association notion of solidarity. The second is the last part where he gives the notion they are closed to being clear with the throw away first statement while giving a reason for the three to be alive tomorrow.

Now wayward isn't the most towniest according to the thread poll, but Roden has been actively implying Wayward as townie since his earlier post, and part of the tactic is you can later use that association to justify a push on them when the thread sentiment changes. I wouldn't be surprised if scum!roden is purposely doing this to secure a elimination on wayward later on rather than potentially earlier due to the pressure people had on them earlier.

What also bothers me is Roden's fascination with who makes it to day 2 in general. Specifically the bulge nightkill prediction. While I don't think predicting the NK is scummy itself, the manner Roden is setting off alarms. Although Bulge is who he predicts is dying, Roden is choosing not to really interact with them. Besides a glancing remark about the early game voting, Roden has not interacted with Bulge. If I felt someone is heavily town and likely to die, I would be begging them to at least consider mentioning their full reads. Especially if they themselves have voiced they themselves doubt that (as bulge has done; meaning he is even less likely to provide info). This make the whole process seem disingenuous. Roden seems like he cares about getting town to the "best" D2 possible without really going about it how I expect a town member to do with the reads they conveyed.

I am running out of time before my online class, But I would like thoughts about the above. Some other reads I can explain more depth later are:
Euqix (the dog profile guy) I have town vibes from
Bulge I feel conformable not eliminating this day phase.
I really want T3 to post some form of Read list or a deep write up of what they are feeling. Mainly because on the off chance they are town, since a lot of the thread's dynamics would change. Until that happens, I think hammering is a terrible idea (on top of robbing us discussion time).

[Xlos]

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I'd rather have another candidate so we can get more controversial choice, otherwise mafia will just kill lukewarm the next day and we haven't learned anything.

are you assuming that t3 is mafia and lukewarm is town here? if so then why would you not want t3 to be today's elimination?

I

think

he is saying that T3 is scum and I am town, but wants all to keep talking and trying to find a counter wagon so that the mafia will have a harder choice with their night kill? Honestly, the whole post from Xlos makes my head hurt

I'm was imagining the situation where T3 is town. But thinking about it more, the mafia killing lukewarm in the night might not make sense - I imagining they would do that since he's the most town-read so far, but this is less obviously true the next day if t3 flips town. So ignore the second part of the sentence. The point is that I think controversy is better to analyze than global agreement. It's not about me wanting or not wanting T3 to be lynched.

I think I've been posting fairly suspiciously but I haven't had that much suspicion fall on me yet

I think you have had like 4 total posts before this. And I have looked at them with a bit of suspicion, which is why I had you the category of

"I need to hear more from you so I can tell if your posts sound off because you are scum or just because you are new"

Are you saying that you have been purposefully suspicious in order to gauge how town reacted to you? wtf?

Your whole post just now gives me a headache.

No, I haven't been purposefully suspicious, I just got the feeling that some of my posts felt suspicious afterword's, since most of what I was doing was trying to make arguments on people from basically 0 evidence (day 1 is hard). Writing my posts gives me a headache too in a way; I read into things a lot... it's only going to get worse, last game I played I had these 5-step if-then statements in every post and half the time I just had a logic error in my argument cause there was too much to keep track of. Well, hopefully I'll do better this game.

Lukewarm (I get confused when people shorten it to Luke)
...
Mix hasn't talked too much since the start of the day

How are you gonna be confused by people shortening Lukewarm -> Luke, but also feel comfortable shortening MixLixWix-> Mix lmao

Spoiler:

unless you are also named Luke, so you think people might be talking about you

I'm not named Luke, but Lukewarm is a word with some meaning, and Luke does not have the same meaning at all. It's kind of like shortening a compound word, but is Lukewarm really a compound word? Meanwhile both MixLixWix and Mix mean nothing, and all 3 parts of the compound word are almost the same.

Forgot to do this yesterday UNVOTE: .

[Xlos]

Just realized I've been saying lynched a lot, it's a hard habit to break.

So I am/been running into the issue of a lot of people looking scummy to me; far beyond the two scum slots in the game. If anyone has any advice for this, I would love to hear it.

[Roden is sus because blah]

Euqix (the dog profile guy) I have town vibes from
Bulge I feel conformable not eliminating this day phase.
I really want T3 to post some form of Read list or a deep write up of what they are feeling. Mainly because on the off chance they are town, since a lot of the thread's dynamics would change. Until that happens, I think hammering is a terrible idea (on top of robbing us discussion time).

Your argument for Roden is pretty convoluted, I don't think I agree that associating with town is particularly scummy. But looking at the part of the post you quoted, it does confuse me, why would he think scum would kill the bulge? And why is Wayward not very suspicious, personally I think Wayward is very suspicious... but I guess many people disagrees with me on that. I think I'd like to hear Roden's reasoning on this.

[T3]

Xlos is town and I don't want to say why.
Mixlixwix saying there are more than 2 people I find scummy is towny.

[MixLixWix]

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I am easily worth more.

Your argument for Roden is pretty convoluted, I don't think I agree that associating with town is particularly scummy.

But looking at the part of the post you quoted, it does confuse me, why would he think scum would kill the bulge? And why is Wayward not very suspicious, personally I think Wayward is very suspicious... but I guess many people disagrees with me on that. I think I'd like to hear Roden's reasoning on this.

Could you perhaps explain why its convoluted? To me, it makes sense therefore its hard to consider it for being convoluted or faulty.

[MixLixWix]

Xlos is town and I don't want to say why.
Mixlixwix saying there are more than 2 people I find scummy is towny.

How are you today T3? Slept some?

[Zyla]

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I'll be honest, I was thinking of this as more than just a joke, although if I'm wrong, there are 2 or 3 people who could tell me otherwise

[T3]

Xlos is town and I don't want to say why.
Mixlixwix saying there are more than 2 people I find scummy is towny.

How are you today T3? Slept some?

Good, I slept well, thanks.

[MixLixWix]

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I'll be honest,

I was thinking of this as more than just a joke

, although if I'm wrong, there are 2 or 3 people who could tell me otherwise

Well I would like to here that. What do you think it is?

[Roden]

Not sure.

The response to the post was me responding to your pointabout the specific post you brought up.

Who and what is this referring to?

Though looking at the vote count it looks like some people already have some spicy takes early into the game.

what does this mean?

There were two very fast wagons and some serious accusations thrown around very early into Day 1. It's just surprising seeing people push hard on their votes so early into the game.

how did you glean that from looking at the vote count?

Votes weren't spread out and I read the first few posts before I signed up.

I agree but especially with the bolded. His posts have been all over the place and I had no idea what he was doing for the longest time, since he seems so obvscum and isn't doing much to actually defend himself. I thought maybe he was just resigned to being voted out, but Bulge's meta sus about T3's weird distance strats rang some warning bells.

Assuming he flips scum, I think he started playing up his stated scum meta when it got brought up and further analyzed since it would be fair to assume we would start looking for it. I believe he wants to put you, me, and Wayward in a WIFOM situation in hope of keeping the focus on the three of us once Day 2 starts. It's not like anyone else is really getting looked at anyway, right?

Not saying the three of us are cleared btw. But I believe scum will want to keep the three of us alive no matter the results of the flip. Personally, I think Bulge dies tonight, and I'll be looking more closely at Egix, Mix, Xlos, and Zyla tomorrow, assuming I survive.

I kinda like this theory, but I would be a terrible night kill, I'm scumreading half the game lol

I mainly think that because you're a SE that's being universally town read, and Luke seems like the only other viable option.

UNVOTE:

General question for everyone. What's usually worth looking more into? An E-2 vote or an E-1 vote?

And since I want to put my vote somewhere else, VOTE: Egix96

I think depends on how T3 flips.

Before Zyla voted, there was basically 1 person vocally pushing on him (me) and 1 person who was arguable trying to shift the focus off of himself (Wayward Son). Zyla hitched herself to that, putting him at e-2 and making it properly a wagon. That seems too early to bus, but about the right time for scum to join a wagon on a townie. So I think her slot will get some townie points if T3 does flip scum, but both me and Zyla will look pretty bad if he flips town.

Egix putting him at e-1 I think is equally likely from either alignment. I can easily see town!egix having a scum read on T3 by that point, but it also comes about the time that T3 starts changing around his reads, so maybe around the time the scum team decided that T3 was a sinking ship.

So overall, I think I want to look at the Zyla slot after a T3 flip, but I am not sure that the Egix vote helps me sort him.

I'm thinking along the same lines. Zyla and Egix are my personal PoE choices, but I can't really get into why that is until Day 2. I don't think anyone will be sussing you if T3 flips town though. That will likely be Wayward, Zyla, Egix, and myself.

Also, interesting to know about the vote but idk how that checks out. The post you voted T3 with explicitly says you spent a couple hours reading posts, and my only major post at the time mentioned that he was at E-2 and that anyone putting him at E-1 should be looked at. The part of my post you quoted and said you liked states this in the very next line. I'm not trying to fish for a "gotcha" moment here but I just find it hard to believe that you wouldn't have known.

While reading the five people after you in alphabetical order I must have forgotten you had said that

That's understandable. I can see you just forgetting. Again, it isn't meant to be a "gotcha" but regardless I still have to look at you going forward.

So I am/been running into the issue of a lot of people looking scummy to me; far beyond the two scum slots in the game. If anyone has any advice for this, I would love to hear it. Currently though, I feel I need to be a bit more black and white with how I am reading into things. Stuff like Wayward early tone, as I will explain below, I am hyper-fixaiting on rather than the bigger picture maybe? Not only should it help make it clear what I think, but also should narrow down the pool hopefully?

Speaking of being clearer, here are some answers or clarifications:

Spoiler:

I am a bit wary that you appear to have discounted so many of the people that have not posted very much yet tho. Like, Egix, The Bulge, and [the Opposite slot] are all still sitting in null for me.

It was more I didn't have much feelings on them due to most not posting a lot. Since they were nullish, I elected to not bring them up to try and provoke discussion among those who were posting. It is also why I felt the need to revaluate in 68 because my pool was already a bit bloated prior to them getting reads as well.

Mix - I think that their questioning of people has been fine, but I'm a bit weirded out by their 68 because not only do they seem to have too many suspects, but they also seemingly suspect Wayward just for being hard to read?

I don't think I explained my wayward pings in [p]68[/p] fully well, so I'll redo it here. Basically I've been struggling with understanding wayward's early posts. Tonally they didn't feel like they were coming from town due to how forced/awkward his posting seemed. This stuck out to me as a nagging feeling. What made it hard to say it was scum though was trying to assert a motivation for his posts early on top of the tone. I couldn't really tell if that was how he talked (as I remembered signing up after him and saw a few of his posts in the newbie queue, which in lack of a way to put it showed character) or if it was scum being weird.

Mix gives me similar vibes. Though I'm noticing they also both seemed to buddy up almost immediately. Have you two played together before?

No, first game of forum mafia for me.

As for right now, I have wayward up higher now. Their 91 and 124 shows some promise. The latter especially since it calls out part of the contraction I say in Roden's post. I reread the newbie queue to understand their posting habits better, and I feel fine leaving up the oddness of the slot's words to their posting style/who they are. I'd like more posts, but I want to look elsewhere than here.

UNVOTE:

This gets me to Roden. I find myself not really liking a lot of their posts. Luke/wayward pointed out some stuff that I picked up on. Their intro post was pretty noncommital despite the amount that was written. The lukewarm progression I also do not really understand at all.  What hasn't been mentioned that has rubbed me wrong is the following:

Assuming he flips scum, I think he started playing up his stated scum meta when it got brought up and further analyzed since it would be fair to assume we would start looking for it. I believe he wants to put

you[Likewarm], me, and Wayward

in a WIFOM situation in hope of keeping the focus on the three of us once Day 2 starts. It's not like anyone else is really getting looked at anyway, right?

Not saying the three of us are cleared btw. But I believe scum will want to keep the three of us alive no matter the results of the flip.

Personally, I think Bulge dies tonight, and I'll be looking more closely at Egix, Mix, Xlos, and Zyla tomorrow, assuming I survive.

The underline bothers me for two reasons. One is the tactic of associated towniness. I am not quite sure if it has an actual name, less so on here. But when I play IRL as scum, I heavily use this tactic. Basically, you find those who town heavily thinks is townie (like Lukewarm) and use language to associate yourself with them. Stuff like "Luke and I have been", "We might not be townie, but I feel X about us.", etc. This builds the notion in other heads that you and who you choose to associate with are collectively townie including you. There is more you can do with this of course later in the game. Roden does this two times. One by implying the trio of him, Luke, and Wayward are in a WIFOM situation which doesn't make sense. His rational for this statement is that no one else is getting looked at but them, but that isn't true. Not only would a T3 flip HEAVILY imply a town!Luke, but others are actually getting looked at like Zyla this phase. The statement plays up the fear of something non-realistic to multiply the association notion of solidarity. The second is the last part where he gives the notion they are closed to being clear with the throw away first statement while giving a reason for the three to be alive tomorrow.

Now wayward isn't the most towniest according to the thread poll, but Roden has been actively implying Wayward as townie since his earlier post, and part of the tactic is you can later use that association to justify a push on them when the thread sentiment changes. I wouldn't be surprised if scum!roden is purposely doing this to secure a elimination on wayward later on rather than potentially earlier due to the pressure people had on them earlier.

What also bothers me is Roden's fascination with who makes it to day 2 in general. Specifically the bulge nightkill prediction. While I don't think predicting the NK is scummy itself, the manner Roden is setting off alarms. Although Bulge is who he predicts is dying, Roden is choosing not to really interact with them. Besides a glancing remark about the early game voting, Roden has not interacted with Bulge. If I felt someone is heavily town and likely to die, I would be begging them to at least consider mentioning their full reads. Especially if they themselves have voiced they themselves doubt that (as bulge has done; meaning he is even less likely to provide info). This make the whole process seem disingenuous. Roden seems like he cares about getting town to the "best" D2 possible without really going about it how I expect a town member to do with the reads they conveyed.

I am running out of time before my online class, But I would like thoughts about the above. Some other reads I can explain more depth later are:

Euqix (the dog profile guy) I have town vibes from

Bulge I feel conformable not eliminating this day phase.

I really want T3 to post some form of Read list or a deep write up of what they are feeling. Mainly because on the off chance they are town, since a lot of the thread's dynamics would change. Until that happens, I think hammering is a terrible idea (on top of robbing us discussion time).

This is a very reasonable take and I understand why you're wary of me. I don't have much of a defense here but I encourage you to keep an eye on me. I will say I haven't fully explained my thought process for a reason.

Though yeah I actually didn't think to try to get more info from Bulge. I think he just in general is keeping his posts more reserved in tone and content but has plenty to say if he feels the need to. Kind of a typical SE town playstyle from what I've seen in other games.

Just realized I've been saying lynched a lot, it's a hard habit to break.

So I am/been running into the issue of a lot of people looking scummy to me; far beyond the two scum slots in the game. If anyone has any advice for this, I would love to hear it.

[Roden is sus because blah]

Euqix (the dog profile guy) I have town vibes from

Bulge I feel conformable not eliminating this day phase.

I really want T3 to post some form of Read list or a deep write up of what they are feeling. Mainly because on the off chance they are town, since a lot of the thread's dynamics would change. Until that happens, I think hammering is a terrible idea (on top of robbing us discussion time).

Your argument for Roden is pretty convoluted, I don't think I agree that associating with town is particularly scummy. But looking at the part of the post you quoted, it does confuse me, why would he think scum would kill the bulge? And why is Wayward not very suspicious, personally I think Wayward is very suspicious... but I guess many people disagrees with me on that. I think I'd like to hear Roden's reasoning on this.

Partial town read. But I also just don't think he's partners with T3. Especially when going by Luke and Bulge's analysis.

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I'll be honest, I was thinking of this as more than just a joke, although if I'm wrong, there are 2 or 3 people who could tell me otherwise

I think we're on the same page here.

[Zyla]

Well I would like to here that. What do you think it is?

If I'm correct about it, it would probably not be best for me to explain, at least on the first day

[Lukewarm]

Well I would like to here that. What do you think it is?

If I'm correct about it, it would probably not be best for me to explain, at least on the first day

I don't think this is a productive conversation. If it was a joke, it does not help us, if it was not a joke, then it is best not to spell it out Day 1.

So maybe we should all assume it is a joke, and move for the day

[Zyla]

Well I would like to here that. What do you think it is?

If I'm correct about it, it would probably not be best for me to explain, at least on the first day

I don't think this is a productive conversation. If it was a joke, it does not help us, if it was not a joke, then it is best not to spell it out Day 1.

So maybe we should all assume it is a joke, and move for the day

Fair enough

[Roden]

Exactly why I'm not fully explaining my reasons for my reads/theories.

[MixLixWix]

I was going to ask Roden, but since others are hinting at it, there seem to be a decent chunk of people who indicate that they are waiting for later phases to reveal things. I really don't know how to progress things with that. I guess what I am trying to ask is what are your guy's goal prior to flipping T3 for day 1? I would like not to kill motivation to play and do not want to drag things out if others don't want to?

This isn't meant to be mean or what not btw, I genuinely don't know what to type after staring at the screen for a bit.

[Lukewarm]

I was going to ask Roden, but since others are hinting at it, there seem to be a decent chunk of people who indicate that they are waiting for later phases to reveal things. I really don't know how to progress things with that. I guess what I am trying to ask is what are your guy's goal prior to flipping T3 for day 1? I would like not to kill motivation to play and do not want to drag things out if others don't want to?

This isn't meant to be mean or what not btw, I genuinely don't know what to type after staring at the screen for a bit.

Basically, I am trying to get a read on the other players, while basically asking myself "who is T3's partner if he flips scum" and "who do I most suspect if he flips town"

[Lukewarm]

I think I personally have exhausted my questions for the time being tho

[Lukewarm]

My biggest question mark is on Egix atm, but it is more of a "I wish he had more content" and less of any specific questions for him.

[Roden]

I believe Zyla is town. Scum wouldn't make those posts, not even newbscum, and as I said earlier I think she's experienced with this game.

Her and Egix were my two PoE for T3's partner but now it really only leaves Egix. Even if T3 somehow flips town I still don't think Egix looks good.

I believe T3 wants to be hammered ASAP at this point so there's less information to dissect Day 2. His theoretical partner has very little suspicion on them and an ongoing Day 1 threatens that. That's why I refrained from hammering, and potentially why Egix put T3 at hammer range. Maybe to tempt someone to hammer a player who looks like obvscum.

There is another potential but unlikely T3 partner. Does anyone think Wayward vs T3 could've just been scum vs scum?

[Xlos]

Your argument for Roden is pretty convoluted, I don't think I agree that associating with town is particularly scummy.

But looking at the part of the post you quoted, it does confuse me, why would he think scum would kill the bulge? And why is Wayward not very suspicious, personally I think Wayward is very suspicious... but I guess many people disagrees with me on that. I think I'd like to hear Roden's reasoning on this.

Could you perhaps explain why its convoluted? To me, it makes sense therefore its hard to consider it for being convoluted or faulty.[/quote]
Because I had to read it very slowly to understand it. This is in part because I didn't follow Roden's logic with the WIFOM situation in the first place. It's better the second read.

Your argument for Roden is pretty convoluted, I don't think I agree that associating with town is particularly scummy. But looking at the part of the post you quoted, it does confuse me, why would he think scum would kill the bulge? And why is Wayward not very suspicious, personally I think Wayward is very suspicious... but I guess many people disagrees with me on that. I think I'd like to hear Roden's reasoning on this.

Partial town read. But I also just don't think he's partners with T3. Especially when going by Luke and Bulge's analysis.

So we're just assuming T3 is mafia now? I need to go back and check these analyses

I think Lukewarm is town but I can't say why because of ongoing games.

Xlos is town and I don't want to say why.
Mixlixwix saying there are more than 2 people I find scummy is towny.

It's gut reading man... given that I'm not a mason with T3, I can't imagine why the man doesn't want to say why he thinks anything. It's not like he'll be alive D2 to explain, or like we will gain any insight on what he meant by killing him if he does turns out to be town. Maybe he's just tired.

I slept well, thanks.

The mystery deepens...

[Xlos]

I believe Zyla is town. Scum wouldn't make those posts, not even newbscum, and as I said earlier I think she's experienced with this game.

Her and Egix were my two PoE for T3's partner but now it really only leaves Egix. Even if T3 somehow flips town I still don't think Egix looks good.

I believe T3 wants to be hammered ASAP at this point so there's less information to dissect Day 2. His theoretical partner has very little suspicion on them and an ongoing Day 1 threatens that. That's why I refrained from hammering, and potentially why Egix put T3 at hammer range. Maybe to tempt someone to hammer a player who looks like obvscum.

There is another potential but unlikely T3 partner. Does anyone think Wayward vs T3 could've just been scum vs scum?

To be honest I was thinking about asking for a hammering in the last post, I think T3 is as good as dead today and now that I'm reading the posts that happened recently it seems I'm not the only one... a lot of the posts recently have been theoretical based on his flip.