Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[VFP]

This was my only thought on it and I wasn't pushing Osuka as town.

I don't think I want Osuka today if its avoidable because

there's 1 reason I feel he could be town

, and no I'm not going to say why.

Yes, there's reason to why he could be town and there was plenty of reasons to why he could be scum.
I even said multiple times he could be scum.

This is just Human caught here as scum.

[VFP]

I though vfp softed motion detector there lol

Anyways, I am humaneatingmonkeys mason partner. I didn't crumb it but he did.

I won't confirm nor deny. It's not time yet.

Show the crumb.

[VFP]

I though vfp softed motion detector there lol

Anyways, I am humaneatingmonkeys mason partner.

I didn't crumb it but he did

.

I also find this very hard to believe, and T3 will know exactly why.
I cant say why but I can tell you it's a lie.

[T3]

I am not mason. VFP had a very towny reaction and so did hem.

[T3]

Final VC, Day Two

humaneatingmonkey (2): osuka, VFP
InsidiousLemons (1): Ivyeo
T3 (1): Egix96
VFP (1): Dunnstral

osuka (6) [HAMMER]: InsidiousLemons, Anya, Ivyeo, Umlaut, T3, humaneatingmonkey

With 11 alive it takes 6 to flip.

VFP is town.
Dunnstral is town.
LemonsI think was a townread from earlier I don't remember their play this game at all LOL.
Anya is town.
Also @MOD Ivyeo is counted twice in the eod votecount.
Umlaut was town.
hem is town.

Scum is between Ivy or Egix.

[T3]

VOTE: egix96

[VFP]

I am not mason. VFP had a very towny reaction and so did hem.

I don't buy it.
It looks like you wanted to save you're buddy, realised you're a particular player I know would crumb here and had to re call it.

[T3]

I am not mason. VFP had a very towny reaction and so did hem.

I don't buy it.
It looks like you wanted to save you're buddy, realised you're a particular player I know would crumb here and had to re call it.

Why would I claim if I'm scum with hem? If you didn't realize and hem gets limmed and is scum then that implicates me.

[VFP]

Why would I claim if I'm scum with hem? If you didn't realize and hem gets limmed and is scum then that implicates me.

Okay that's a fair point. Human flipping scum would mean you are also flipped.
Human is still scum here though. The argument is so scum planned. Even to argue that I wasn't the NK when it was pretty obvious I would be a high lim option today.

[T3]

I think the maso partner should reveal themselves.

I hardclaim not mason.


VFP - not mason
T3 -not mason

[humaneatingmonkey]

We'll talk about it.

[T3]

VOTE: human

[VFP]

There's no downside here to claim with 2 scum dead to 1 town.

If there's only 1 scum it clears Human / partner claim and either masons or me are confirmed tomorrow on the NK.
If there's 2, then of course Human is going to be worried about pulling this gamble as scum and not want to confirm it. If actually masons, it means the same, scum have to kill in me or the masons or there is scum confirmed in me / Mason claim pair.

The more I think it over, the more 3.5 scum seems wrong. The problem is, scum can win on 2 mis lims alone, and I feel like that is taken into considering when approving.
The only way possibly is if the traitor doesn't know the scum team, but I'm not familiar if that has to be known in normals or not for traitors?

[Anya]

should we all claim since most roles are out now? we can probably figure out the scale measurements

[Anya]

I am not mason. VFP had a very towny reaction and so did hem.

oh

[Anya]

monkey is always town here vfp he's doing nothing but extending his inevitable demise here if wolf

we'd get him when we all claim in lylo and no one can back him up

[Anya]

don't think other mason should claim unless everyone wants to poison them

[Anya]

VOTE: Egix

[InsidiousLemons]

yeah this reads like 2 tunneled town to me. the mason gambit from T3 was confusing but i think he's town for it

anya can you explain your thinking re: egix? i've had a really tough time reading that slot all game

[InsidiousLemons]

also i'm leaning towards a massclaim here, scum already have to choose between

1) vfp (pt cop claim)
2) hem (mason claim)
3) anya (conftown)

subtract one of these if either of the claims are fake but imo knowing the second partner here for the purposes of verifying hem is well worth tacking an extra player onto the end of an already lengthy NK priority list, right?

[InsidiousLemons]

The more I think it over, the more 3.5 scum seems wrong. The problem is, scum can win on 2 mis lims alone, and I feel like that is taken into considering when approving.
The only way possibly is if the traitor doesn't know the scum team, but I'm not familiar if that has to be known in normals or not for traitors?

traitor has to know the scum team for it to be normal and i know that because i caught major heat last game for forgetting it like 3 times in a row

[InsidiousLemons]

from the mafiawiki article

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

• is Mafia-aligned
  
• knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
  
  
• identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
  
• cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
  
• is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
  
• gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

[VFP]

Is the Mafia team the ones in the PT or could a second traitor be considered as the mafia team?
Basically, would 2 traitors know of each others names?

[InsidiousLemons]

unless there are multiple mafia factions (exceedingly unlikely in a 12p) they would know each other's identities, yes. "all of the mafia team" would include the second traitor. but if there are 4 scum, that makes the scum:town ratio 1:3, which is ridiculously high especially when scum have PRs and are informed

[VFP]

unless there are multiple mafia factions (exceedingly unlikely in a 12p) they would know each other's identities, yes. "all of the mafia team" would include the second traitor. but if there are 4 scum, that makes the scum:town ratio 1:3, which is ridiculously high especially when scum have PRs and are informed

Yeah thats what I'm thinking.
I'm not sure I favour 2 scum left. 2 mis lims and 2 NKs the traitors can just say "hello!" And its over, role dependent.

If we mass claim and town seem to be pretty stacked, then it's just the masons lying.

With this in thought if there's no mass claim, considering Humans claim is actually an option. However, no claim by 5 or death means lim 100%

UNVOTE: Humaneatingmonkey