Micro 1010: Divide and Conquer: Round 2 - Game Over!

[Lukewarm]

I reread Vanderscamp, not feeling like voting there

I don't want to vote for Marci or Guiltylion either

So for me it's Luke or hopkirk in the 6

VOTE: Hopkirk

Do you have anything else?

Yeah: I'm ready to proceed to an elimination

Dunn, can you explain your Day 1 scum read on Hopkirk or at least tell us if those concerns went away?

[Lukewarm]

also full disclosure i uh... asked whether you thought you were playing differently before looking back through your games. it's a pretty fun question to ask people

Also, uhhh. This does not seem genuine. Because he did not ask me whether I thought I was playing differently - he accused me of being "really really different"

Which is not the same thing, and the actual thing he said makes a lot less sense to have come from him if he genuinely had not read my prior games.

lukewarm seems really really different to all of his other games. what's up with that luke?

[Lukewarm]

And like post 356 was made and, and he supposedly had not read my past games yet at this point.

Which makes it hard to believe he was then able to whip up 372 and 376, where he has supposedly now had time to look over 3 different games, pull a million quotes from them, summarize and analyze my play style in all three games compared to this one, it he had not even looked over the games yet like 2 posts back in his ISO

[Lukewarm]

Like, just looking at his trajectory on me

356 -> 363 -> 372 -> 376 -> 378 -> 380 -> 422 -> 426

To suddenly in 431 claiming that he started that trajectory without having actually read the games to begin with.

His original trajectory seemed way too consistent from the very first post for it to have started before he read the games.

So did town!hopkirk make the accusation that I was very different then my prior games without having read them, then went and read them, and then made a case trying to prove the accusation that me made without reading them?

Do did scum!hopkirk make a case against me, and eventually try to back away from it in 431?

[Hopkirk]

btw my 60 posts lastnight were a scumgame that just finished lol

yeah I SR you a bit then i read your games because of that and SR more after. it's very logical

[Lukewarm]

btw my 60 posts lastnight were a scumgame that just finished lol

yeah I SR you a bit then i read your games because of that and SR more after. it's very logical

My point is not that you SR me, then read my games.

My point is that you said "luke is really really different in this game then his past games" and then apparently started reading my games and then apparently found evidence that happened to support the accusation you had already made.

[Hopkirk]

nah, i asked if

you

thought you were playing differently. i've asked that a bunch of times in the past, there it was with intent to bear in mind your response

[Lukewarm]

nah, i asked if

you

thought you were playing differently. i've asked that a bunch of times in the past, there it was with intent to bear in mind your response

This is false.

lukewarm seems really really different to all of his other games

. what's up with that luke?

You did not ask me if I thought I was playing differently, you accused me of being "really really different"

[Lukewarm]

@everyone, have reached deathtunnel levels of confidence in this. No other wagon feels anywhere close to being this right.

If we do not vote hopkirk before Elo, then we will most likely make it all the way to elo with me + hopkirk + someone else, where I will then vote hopkirk.

If I have convinced you that hopkirk is scum, then we should go ahead and kill him off now.
If you still think that hopkirk is town, then you still need to vote him off (or me i guess) because that means we will lose at Elo

So, either way, I think Hopkirk should die today

Every other player has been really uncertain of their cases, but now that I have reached this point no scum will ever kill me or hopkirk. No other scum would kill me, because I have become their best chance to win, and that means hopkirk can't kill me because he is the only scum player that might benefit from me dying.

So, unless you are 100% sure of your case, I ask that you help me here. Otherwise, we are setting ourselves up for one hell of an Elo down the line.

[Hopkirk]

so this means you're saying we need to vote

you

off before lylo? lol

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Dunn

still between this/vanders.

[Lukewarm]

so this means you're saying we need to vote

you

off before lylo? lol

I think that one of us absolutely needs to go. Me and you both making it to Elo sounds like a nightmare for town tbh.

[Lukewarm]

nah, i asked if

you

thought you were playing differently. i've asked that a bunch of times in the past, there it was with intent to bear in mind your response

This is false.

lukewarm seems really really different to all of his other games

. what's up with that luke?

You did not ask me if I thought I was playing differently, you accused me of being "really really different"

No comment here?

[GuiltyLion]

I've skimmed along and going to read up and reply in detail in a min, but just wanna give my first thought - Lukewarm, it would be terrible play to eliminate Hopkirk today. I really don't buy that Bingle "didn't want the push to go through", it was

very

close, Hopkirk was closest of anyone getting eliminated D1 and it's really only due to N_M, nEE, and Vanders that he wasn't.

It's fair to be paranoid and consider all possibilities, but the odds of Hopkirk being scum are much lower than almost anyone else in the 6p. You reconsider his slot if you get down to F3 and he's still alive for some reason. You don't do it right after the main person pushing him flipped scum.

[GuiltyLion]

i think dunnstrals more likely to be town than not. yeah hes inactive, but nothing hes done is really eyebrow raising. so i wouldn't really look at him.

marci, Dunn is pushing to eliminate you today and has been low engagement/content compared to most other slots in the game. I'm having a hard time understanding why town in your shoes would think he's not worth looking at?

[GuiltyLion]

931 does feel pretty town overall though, I think

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Lukewarm]

Hopkirk was closest of anyone getting eliminated D1 and it's really only due to N_M, nEE, and Vanders that he wasn't.

Was it due to n_m, Norwee, and Vanders? Or was it because Bingle made the "I will hammer Vanders if we speed elim hopkirk tomorrow" post?

Because, from my pov, that post from Bingle is the biggest thing that stopped the hopkirk wagon from passing. Look at how literally every player in the thread reacted to that post?

Do you think that Bingle believed that post would help him push out hopkirk? If so, he wildly misjudged how the thread would have reacted to it.

And, why do you think Bingle self voted instead of continuing to try and whip up votes against hopkirk, when I was still there trying to convince people?

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Dunn

[GuiltyLion]

Or was it because Bingle made the "I will hammer Vanders if we speed elim hopkirk tomorrow" post?

No, it was because of those three players voting Bingle.

You're kinda going off the deep end here man. You think Bingle's plan was to push Hopkirk really hard, then gamble that he could make an open-wolfy enough post to draw all the votes to himself instead, even though many of the players were suggesting never to eliminate in 3p on D1? Really?

Stop inventing narratives for why something is possible and just stick to what's likely. Bingle-Hopkirk is S-S in far far FAR fewer universes than ones where almost anyone else in the 6p field is scum.

[GuiltyLion]

I'm fine with this, I think marci's last few effort posts were more likely town and Dunn was always going to be a POE elimination and overall decent odds of scum here

I'm not extremely confident but I haven't been able to feel all that confident scumreading anyone left this game, other than when I was pretty sure it was Vanders

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Dunn

Pretty sure that is the hammer.

Hopefully the game just ends

But, I have my doubts :/

[Lukewarm]

And you are the one who convinced me of that

Like if Dunn is scum, you have to believe he didn't try to gain any towncred from scumreading/distancing/pushing Bingle, nor did he try especially hard to protect him, and you have to believe he's happy to give flippant low-effort posts in thread even when most players are casting suspicion his way. It's possible but it just doesn't feel like The One True Answer to me.

2) scum!Dunn avoided the GL/Vander TvT entirely and opted to push a marci miselimination without any real support yet from other townies

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town

[Lukewarm]

Bingle tanked himself end of Day 1, and I just don't see that he did that in a way that would benefit Dunn at all

[Lukewarm]

I'm town

I know, that is why I kept asking for you to look at my hopkirk case