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petapan · Post Post #25 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 4:45 am

ok scum

Dwlee99 · Post Post #26 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 4:46 am

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #27 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 4:56 am

In post 20, Dwlee99 wrote:Playing like this is mountainous will not increase winrate at all. Mountainous games get a win rate lower than theoretical random elims.

Did you read my post?

Crumb your targets and results.

If a player is run up to E-1, and claims anything, hammer away. Claims have become mod shenanigans. They make the game WORSE than mountainous.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #28 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 4:57 am

VOTE: Dwlee99

petapan · Post Post #29 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 4:59 am

for the record i have setup-related thoughts but they're not for sharing in the early game, will talk more about it later

Dwlee99 · Post Post #30 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:05 am

In post 27, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 20, Dwlee99 wrote:Playing like this is mountainous will not increase winrate at all. Mountainous games get a win rate lower than theoretical random elims.
Did you read my post?

Crumb your targets and results.

If a player is run up to E-1, and claims anything, hammer away. Claims have become mod shenanigans. They make the game WORSE than mountainous.

I strongly disagree with this. Do you mean roles that seem like they should be one alignment being another? When I modded once I did some "shenanigans" ig, but you're still able to check it for balance and figure out roles. These games have to be reviewed for normalcy and balance, so I don't think throwing out the setup makes any sense here, especially when mountainous is notoriously bad for town. Town even loses white flag typically.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #31 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:07 am

In post 30, Dwlee99 wrote:you're still able to check it for balance and figure out roles.

Nope.

That's how we're going to lose the game, and by "we" I mean the town, not you, scum.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #32 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:08 am

Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Town Mason
Vanilla Townie
Mafia Doctor
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Town Mason
Town Follower
Mafia Tracker
Mafia Goon
Town 2-Shot Vigilante
Town 1-Shot Tracker

Should town ignore the roles in this setup?

petapan · Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:13 am

yes please try to double down on your sidetrack because you think you have

such a great point

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #34 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:13 am

What about a neighborhood with two traitors, the town kills one, then the other traitor is treated as conftown because no mod would have a neighborhood of two traitors?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #35 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:25 am

In post 33, petapan wrote:yes please try to double down on your sidetrack because you think you have
such a great point

It's the only thing happening in the game and playing mafia is the only thing I feel like doing before a BBQ with my family today.

In post 34, DrippingGoofball wrote:What about a neighborhood with two traitors, the town kills one, then the other traitor is treated as conftown because no mod would have a neighborhood of two traitors?

Assuming alignments in a neighborhood is always bad. It could have been maf + traitor too to give a chance to figure out who the traitor is. I've seen a mafia, traitor, town neighborhood before (iirc). Your issue isn't using roles, it's assuming neighborhood compositions are alignment indicative.

Gypyx · Post Post #36 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:39 am

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Titus · Post Post #37 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:50 am

I like DGB's plan. It prevents scum from fake claiming roles later on as the targets wouldn't match. This should only be done until a person is forced to claim. I would modify it though to claim multiple targets so scum can't deduce who is possibly doctor protected. It limits some ability to solve and catch fake claims but it will keep our PRs alive.

For instance if there's an obvtown/IC and everyone crumbs them as one of their options, scum will infer that person was protected. Then if scum shoot a cop, we can ignore all their obvtown crumbs and get their results anyway.

VOTE: Dwelee

Titus · Post Post #38 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:52 am

I'm not going to completely ignore claims but the crumbs make sense.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 5:56 am

Titus, are you proposing everyone just claims who they would target with their night action openly?

Titus · Post Post #40 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:17 am

In post 39, Dwlee99 wrote:Titus, are you proposing everyone just claims who they would target with their night action openly?

A pool of two or three should be crumbed. I'm horrible at crumbing so it might turn out to be a straight up claim.

Titus · Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:17 am

That's true of people with no night action as well.

Rathe · Post Post #42 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:38 am

i agree with drippinggoofball 100% n i think her concern makes her town

Rathe · Post Post #43 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:39 am

i think if she was scum she wouldnt care u dont need to fake that

Save The Dragons · Post Post #44 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:41 am

what if you're shit at crumbing things

i can't believe i forgot to vote

VOTE: osuka

Rathe · Post Post #45 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:43 am

In post 35, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 34, DrippingGoofball wrote:What about a neighborhood with two traitors, the town kills one, then the other traitor is treated as conftown because no mod would have a neighborhood of two traitors?
Assuming alignments in a neighborhood is always bad. It could have been maf + traitor too to give a chance to figure out who the traitor is. I've seen a mafia, traitor, town neighborhood before (iirc). Your issue isn't using roles, it's assuming neighborhood compositions are alignment indicative.

not an assumption it actually happened

Rathe · Post Post #46 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:44 am

the issue is not being able to rely on roles to figure the game out

Rathe · Post Post #47 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:45 am

its all about play crumbing makes sense but even still not sure how accurate it would be upon death

Rathe · Post Post #48 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:45 am

setups can be wacky

Dwlee99 · Post Post #49 (ISO) » Mon May 31, 2021 6:45 am

In post 40, Titus wrote:
In post 39, Dwlee99 wrote:Titus, are you proposing everyone just claims who they would target with their night action openly?
A pool of two or three should be crumbed. I'm horrible at crumbing so it might turn out to be a straight up claim.

In post 41, Titus wrote:That's true of people with no night action as well.

I feel like this plan gives scum a ton of information on how to organize their night actions and will lock our power roles into actions before a flip occurs. So, no we shouldn't do this.

Rathe wrote:
In post 35, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 34, DrippingGoofball wrote:What about a neighborhood with two traitors, the town kills one, then the other traitor is treated as conftown because no mod would have a neighborhood of two traitors?
Assuming alignments in a neighborhood is always bad. It could have been maf + traitor too to give a chance to figure out who the traitor is. I've seen a mafia, traitor, town neighborhood before (iirc). Your issue isn't using roles, it's assuming neighborhood compositions are alignment indicative.
not an assumption it actually happened

I know it happened, I read some of the game.