Newbie 2065 | The Backrooms | Endgame

[Lukewarm]

Uhh, maybe we shouldn't be this quick to vote someone who might be a mason. Getting E-2 at less than 5 hours in isn't a good thing in this case.
It's definitely weird that Mix-los didn't get killed, but it could've been scum gearing up to try and say that one of them was on the scumteam

I agree, that is part of the reason why I have not voted yet.

Who do you think it is Zyla?

[Xlos]

I personally think Bulge, Mix, and Luke are above suspicion.

Not so sure on Egix anymore. if not him, then Roden.

I never made my Hero Solve Yesterday, but I'd almost bet it's one of them.

Well Roden was killed by the Mafia, so I don't think we need to worry about him lol

This seems like a pretty town misunderstanding

Uhh, maybe we shouldn't be this quick to vote someone who might be a mason. Getting E-2 at less than 5 hours in isn't a good thing in this case.
It's definitely weird that Mix-los didn't get killed, but it could've been scum gearing up to try and say that one of them was on the scumteam

Mix-los XD I will claim that I am not a mason, I think I've made it obvious by not knowing who my partner is.

[Lukewarm]

I personally think Bulge, Mix, and Luke are above suspicion.

Not so sure on Egix anymore. if not him, then Roden.

I never made my Hero Solve Yesterday, but I'd almost bet it's one of them.

Well Roden was killed by the Mafia, so I don't think we need to worry about him lol

This seems like a pretty town misunderstanding

Agreed. This is town-slip. Basically messing something up that the mafia would 100% know is not true, like who was or wasn't nightkilled, and therefore gives the impression they must be town.

I fully believe that this was a genuine town-slip, but I have also seen scum purposefully drop town-slips for the towncred. So don't always let that sway you in future games

[Zyla]

Consider the other choices: Lukewarm who is as close to confirmed town as it gets, and me/Zyla who are suspected to be town power. I think that, to kill someone else, mafia would need to have something big to gain. And the only person who gains from killing Roden (and gains a lot) is Egix.

On the first level I can agree with you, but that assuming that the night kill was a direct action and not trying to frame someone else.

With the fact that a lot of people have been assuming a Mix-Los Mason team, killing someone outside of that could also be trying to raise doubt on whether or not they

are

both confirmed town members, since why would any Mafia member not go for a PR when possible? So if Egix stands to gain, so does someone who's gone up against the two.
Reading back through, the only thing that Mix and Xlos have agreed on with solid reads was that Wayward Son seemed scummy, and the only other person who had a solid read on him was Roden, who said he was scummy.

So

@ Wayward Son

As far as I can tell,

you

have the most to gain from this particular night kill, as you took out someone who was onto you, and raised suspicion on your other two opponents in the process. You also started a bandwagon way too early rather than wait for more discussion on it. So when you get back I'd really like to hear what you have to say.

[Zyla]

Oh, also
VOTE: Wayward Son

[Zyla]

Mix-los XD I will claim that I am not a mason, I think I've made it obvious by not knowing who my partner is.

Good to know, but I will have to re-read to get a new read on you and mix now

[Xlos]

Consider the other choices: Lukewarm who is as close to confirmed town as it gets, and me/Zyla who are suspected to be town power. I think that, to kill someone else, mafia would need to have something big to gain. And the only person who gains from killing Roden (and gains a lot) is Egix.

On the first level I can agree with you, but that assuming that the night kill was a direct action and not trying to frame someone else.

With the fact that a lot of people have been assuming a Mix-Los Mason team, killing someone outside of that could also be trying to raise doubt on whether or not they

are

both confirmed town members, since why would any Mafia member not go for a PR when possible? So if Egix stands to gain, so does someone who's gone up against the two.
Reading back through, the only thing that Mix and Xlos have agreed on with solid reads was that Wayward Son seemed scummy, and the only other person who had a solid read on him was Roden, who said he was scummy.

So

@ Wayward Son

As far as I can tell,

you

have the most to gain from this particular night kill, as you took out someone who was onto you, and raised suspicion on your other two opponents in the process. You also started a bandwagon way too early rather than wait for more discussion on it. So when you get back I'd really like to hear what you have to say.

If the night kill was trying to frame somebody, then I'd imagine that the person being framed would be Egix (since the direct analysis I gave pointed to him being mafia). Though your analysis has it that I/Mix are the ones being framed, which would be consistent with Wayward Son voting for me. I do think that a lot of his post against me in 237 wasn't particularly compelling, but that's likely just because he listed every single post I made.

Though, I don't think that the mafia would waste a night kill trying to frame people that they suspect are masons.

When you start to think about it from the perspective of framing it suddenly becomes more complicated and unreasonably tricky for a single mafia to pull off. It's best to just use Occam's razor here and not overthink it.

[Zyla]

I do have one question though Xlos, if you and Mix

aren't

Masons, why did you choose mix as the other person?

[Zyla]

snip

If the night kill was trying to frame somebody, then I'd imagine that the person being framed would be Egix (since the direct analysis I gave pointed to him being mafia). Though your analysis has it that I/Mix are the ones being framed, which would be consistent with Wayward Son voting for me. I do think that a lot of his post against me in 237 wasn't particularly compelling, but that's likely just because he listed every single post I made.

As clarification, I was mostly meaning that You or Mix were most likely to be who he was

trying

to frame, but with the unpredictability of how people take things, I wouldn't be surprised if scum!WWS went with Egix if your NKA had gone before his post

[Xlos]

I do have one question though Xlos, if you and Mix

aren't

Masons, why did you choose mix as the other person?

I wanted to talk about him and there wasn't a particularly good place in my post to mention him, so that's how I made one.

[Xlos]

snip

If the night kill was trying to frame somebody, then I'd imagine that the person being framed would be Egix (since the direct analysis I gave pointed to him being mafia). Though your analysis has it that I/Mix are the ones being framed, which would be consistent with Wayward Son voting for me. I do think that a lot of his post against me in 237 wasn't particularly compelling, but that's likely just because he listed every single post I made.

As clarification, I was mostly meaning that You or Mix were most likely to be who he was

trying

to frame, but with the unpredictability of how people take things, I wouldn't be surprised if scum!WWS went with Egix if your NKA had gone before his post

Yeah, in any case, framing someone seems too hard of a gambit to pull off successfully for me to entertain the possibility that the NK was for that reason. It's not impossible, but it's not the most likely situation

[Gypyx]

votecount 2.1

Xlos (2) : Egix96 - Wayward Son
Egix96 (1) : Xlos
Wayward Son (1) : Zyla

Not Voting (3) : Lukewarm - MixLixWix - The Bulge

Day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-06-07 02:10:35), with 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate someone

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[Wayward Son]

@ Zyla When you first brought up Masons in 41, it was in connection with Egix and I.

Why are you Mason hunting on Day 1 anyway? Why would town hunt Masons on Day 1?

[Wayward Son]

If all this Mason talk is correct, then we're facing a Goon or a Roleblocker. The role blocker is useless against Masons, so this might be real good!

[Wayward Son]

I do think that a lot of his post against me in 237 wasn't particularly compelling, but that's likely just because he listed every single post I made.

I'm not trying to talk you into being scum. I'm looking for scum.

I'd like more players to put in their 2 cents worth.

[Zyla]

@ Zyla When you first brought up Masons in 41, it was in connection with Egix and I.

Actually, T3 was the one who connected you to Egix, still not sure why

Why are you Mason hunting on Day 1 anyway? Why would town hunt Masons on Day 1?

I wasn't mason hunting, I brought up the fact that if you had a SE partner (which could be T3, Egix, or Bulge) that suggested you read up on topics other players were in (which has been debunked by the fact that you did mention you were reading in the signup thread) it didn't

have

to be scum as there was/is a potential for Masons.
The fact that later Xlos made a joke(?) that suggested that he and Mix were masons is coincidental with that afaik

[Zyla]

But again, I would like to know why you brought Xlos to E-2 this early in the day when you didn't have any sort of question for them

[Zyla]

If all this Mason talk is correct, then we're facing a Goon or a Roleblocker. The role blocker is useless against Masons, so this might be real good!

Also, the Mason team was assumed to be Mix-Los, and xlos has claimed he's not a mason, so unfortunately I think that Rolecop is back in the game, and that's useful in any line-up

[Wayward Son]

@ Zyla there's no danger scum will quick hammer. It helps people know where I think the game might be headed.

I'm going to be playing Zombicide (a board game) at my son's house, so I'm going to disappear for a few hours.

[Xlos]

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia
I'm not telling how I know this. Mix hasn't talked too much since the start of the day so I'd like to hear his thoughts on what is going on. So far he's sparked some discussion though.

@xlos
People thought that this was a mason crumb. Like you left a joke saying that you and mix were partnered, so that if either of you ever flipped as a mason then the other could point back to this to "prove" that they were your partner

Oh, that makes some sense looking back. I was somewhat confused because I thought the claim being made was that me and Zyla were masons.

T3 randomly switched mix for zyla, but there was a whole conversaton about "we should not dig into a crumb" revolved around that post, and then Roden even responded to me end of day that they had to kill one of you.

I think T3 decided to call out the crumb to reaction test, but did not look back to see who you actually crumbed with (because he knew he was getting ready to be hammered and did not want the thread to lock first)

Wait, if that's true, then this is a pretty strong town tell for Zyla, right? Why would T3 accidentally switch the person he thought I was a mason with with his scumbuddy?

[Lukewarm]

Wait, if that's true, then this is a pretty strong town tell for Zyla, right? Why would T3 accidentally switch the person he thought I was a mason with with his scumbuddy?

Honestly, I think that Mix's response to the "crumb" in posts 162 and 168 gave away that they were not ever the mason with Xlos, because they would not keep asking questions about it / not understand why we would want to table it.

I knew at that point that it was not true, but did not want to say it in case it could still draw a mafia Night Kill from the real PRs.

So T3 very well may have seen that too, and knew it was not real. And then all of T3's eod posts were just designed to create confusion. They all just make my brain hurt, and I am choosing to ignore everything after he gave me a Town Real tbh

[Zyla]

@ Zyla there's no danger scum will quick hammer. It helps people know where I think the game might be headed.

I suppose that's fair, I'll withdraw for now at least
UNVOTE: Wayward Son

[Zyla]

Wait, if that's true, then this is a pretty strong town tell for Zyla, right? Why would T3 accidentally switch the person he thought I was a mason with with his scumbuddy?

Honestly, I think that Mix's response to the "crumb" in posts 162 and 168 gave away that they were not ever the mason with Xlos, because they would not keep asking questions about it / not understand why we would want to table it.

I knew at that point that it was not true, but did not want to say it in case it could still draw a mafia Night Kill from the real PRs.

Honestly I kind of assumed that Xlos breadcrumbed without telling Mix and then had to explain what he was doing in the group chat afterwards. But if the mafia team had your reaction, that

would

explain why they both survived the night

[Zyla]

Anyway, I don't think I've read said much about my reads yet, so

Currently, Luke is my main TR, Bulge seems to be leaning in that direction, but honestly hasn't posted that much yet, so mostly null.
I've been liking Egix for town, but I do want to see what he says about having something to gain from the NK.
Mix has been hard for me to read, so honestly I'm null on them
Wayward and Xlos are both pretty high on my suspect list, but I want to see what Mix and Bulge think of the night happenings before I commit to a vote.

[Lukewarm]

I want to see what Mix and Bulge think of the night happenings before I commit to a vote.

Yeah, at this point I am also holding off for Mix and Bulge.

Thanks for putting your reads out here