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and you know that because?In post 95, petapan wrote:
dgb doesn't lead with that post as scum, lol at you trying to hedge on that tooIn post 93, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, the way I feel rn is that DGB's proposal is a little anti-town andyou could maybe make the argument that she's open wolfingbut then I could easily see a town DGB that got burnt and legit thinks it a good idea to lynch without claims and play this like a scumsided mountainous setup. I think DW sees that this can be bad and is opposed to it. I'm surprised that Rathe and Titus also think DGB's proposal is good. I feel like Peta is scum that's just trying to chum up to DGB and her proposal generally benefits his faction."I would also like to reiterate my claim that Osuka is sort of obviously town" - rc about scumsuka
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a "rough string of games" does not excuse a braindead argument like that from a player that you're portraying as being competent and has a 16 year old accountIn post 97, petapan wrote:
i know you're not but you blatantly hedged in that post which shows a lack of willingness to commit to the townread, don't try to misrepIn post 96, Nero Cain wrote:if you think I'm scum reading DGB then you really aren't reading my posts. Also, you are being pretty manipulative with that cherry pick.
Also, the fact that you are taking the opportunity to argue about DGB instead of what I said about you doesn't feel right.
i care way less about dgb's proposal (which i've barely commented on) than trying to sort the alignment of dgb as well as the people reacting to it, arguing like my nefarious plan is to get people to play mechanically suboptimal is disingenuous horseshit. seen enough of dgb who's had a real rough string of games (one of which was my fault) to say that's a town opener. arguing that someone making a "correct" argument about how to play a normal setup must be town for it is bad reasoning, scum love to get caught up in boring arguments about mechanics that they "truly believe" and acting like arguing against dgb is "protown" or w/e is an easy stance to take that offers nothing"I would also like to reiterate my claim that Osuka is sort of obviously town" - rc about scumsuka
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I'm thinking out loud. I don't know DGB's alignment and I think there's plenty of potential scum motivation in it (her proposal) yes perhaps its something too bold to come from scum (although the majority of the players that reacted to it didn't scum read her for it) but to say that there is absolutely positively no way she posts that as scum seems a bit TMIy. You say I'm hedging but I think thats a super reasonable way of looking @ things from the POV of someone thats uninformed.
I'll take things mafia say to try to look town for 100, Alex.In post 97, petapan wrote:i care way less about dgb's proposal (which i've barely commented on) thantrying to sort the alignment of dgbas well as the people reacting to it
I also think the bolded is 100% bullshit. You are claiming you have her sorted so why do you still need to sort her?
maybe I'm confused then. Aren't you the one that thinks DGB's plan to not claim and lynch regardless of their claimed role and play this like a mountainous game is a good plan? if not and you think it's "mechanically suboptimal" why was it scummy that DW objected to it?arguing like my nefarious plan is to get people to play mechanically suboptimal is disingenuous horseshit.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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^In post 104, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Sup nerds and NC.
see im not a nerdOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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dgb has seen people screw up multiple games recently with bad setup spec assumptions and it's perfectly understandable from that perspective. do i intend to play that way? not really. but that's irrelevant for my read on itIn post 102, osuka wrote:a "rough string of games" does not excuse a braindead argument like that from a player that you're portraying as being competent and has a 16 year old account
you say it's braindead, do you think dgb is scummy for making that post?free crypto- Anya
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no i just don't want to talk with uOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Masons have to have a partner for it to be normal I think.
Nero gets to be town. Titus is nullscum for the way she interacted with the DGB proposal and her early vote on me. Peta is weird af for holding onto this "mod meta" that is apparently so important but not important enough to just say.I prefer they, thanks :)- Anya
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i'm glad you abandoned your bandit ways and decided to become a travelling merchant insteadIn post 110, Nero Cain wrote:no i just don't want to talk with u- petapan
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lol pure weasel word bullshit, my point is i'm not getting into an argument about should we/shouldn't we play like this is mountainousIn post 103, Nero Cain wrote:I'm thinking out loud. I don't know DGB's alignment and I think there's plenty of potential scum motivation in it (her proposal) yes perhaps its something too bold to come from scum (although the majority of the players that reacted to it didn't scum read her for it) but to say that there is absolutely positively no way she posts that as scum seems a bit TMIy. You say I'm hedging but I think thats a super reasonable way of looking @ things from the POV of someone thats uninformed.
I'll take things mafia say to try to look town for 100, Alex.In post 97, petapan wrote:i care way less about dgb's proposal (which i've barely commented on) thantrying to sort the alignment of dgbas well as the people reacting to it
I also think the bolded is 100% bullshit. You are claiming you have her sorted so why do you still need to sort her?
i never said it was a good plan - i think at the heart of it caring about dayplay much more than claims is the road to success but i am not literally arguing for no one to ever claim ever. i think dgb only proposes that as town though
maybe I'm confused then. Aren't you the one that thinks DGB's plan to not claim and lynch regardless of their claimed role and play this like a mountainous game is a good plan? if not and you think it's "mechanically suboptimal" why was it scummy that DW objected to it?arguing like my nefarious plan is to get people to play mechanically suboptimal is disingenuous horseshit.
dwlee coming in the way he did is scum because it was an argument designed to be "correct" and score points by arguing against a weird off the wall proposal but is a sort of generic safe argument ("no you guys, playing like it's mountainous is bad") but offers nothing, is not game advancing, is not scumhunting, just an easy, bland conversation subject. when i called him on this he didn't respond like a townie with a sincere belief, he just went into a mirror attack on me. the idea that he is town simply for arguing against a proposal that a majority of players are unlikely to agree to is terrible logic and makes no sensefree crypto- petapan
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"weird" because you can't actually even begin to broach why i'd bother to do that as scum (i wouldn't) but want to act like it's bad anywayIn post 111, Dwlee99 wrote:Masons have to have a partner for it to be normal I think.
Nero gets to be town. Titus is nullscum for the way she interacted with the DGB proposal and her early vote on me. Peta is weird af for holding onto this "mod meta" that is apparently so important but not important enough to just say.free crypto- Dwlee99
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I OMGUS'd you and you responded badly. The rest is NAI mech talk. I'm not gonna act like people should townread me for arguing against anti-town play like claiming night targets and not using claims at all, but when half the game hasn't posted it's silly to act like I'm scum for arguing against something I disagree with.
You acted like you had a power role and then walked it back to mod meta you haven't claimed yet.petapan wrote:
"weird" because you can't actually even begin to broach why i'd bother to do that as scum (i wouldn't) but want to act like it's bad anywayIn post 111, Dwlee99 wrote:Masons have to have a partner for it to be normal I think.
Nero gets to be town. Titus is nullscum for the way she interacted with the DGB proposal and her early vote on me. Peta is weird af for holding onto this "mod meta" that is apparently so important but not important enough to just say.I prefer they, thanks :)- Nero Cain
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kinda seems like the whole point, no? Like you are effectively saying that DW is scummy b/c he doesn't think DGB's plan is the way to go.In post 113, petapan wrote:my point is i'm not getting into an argument about should we/shouldn't we play like this is mountainous
do you honestly believe that only scum would attack DGB's plan? If not why is he scum as opposed to town that thinks DGB is full of nonsense?In post 113, petapan wrote:dwlee coming in the way he did is scum because it was an argument designed to be "correct" and score points by arguing against a weird off the wall proposal but is a sort of generic safe argument ("no you guys, playing like it's mountainous is bad") but offers nothing, is not game advancing, is not scumhunting, just an easy, bland conversation subject. when i called him on this he didn't respond like a townie with a sincere belief, he just went into a mirror attack on me. the idea that he is town simply for arguing against a proposal that a majority of players are unlikely to agree to is terrible logic and makes no senseOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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If you want to argue that DW is null b/c scum are clearly capable of arguing a pro-town position then fine but I feel like arguing that he makes that argument as scum and only as scum is far-sighted if not a manipulative agenda.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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the other side of the coin is that DW argued a pro-town position b/c he's just town and peta is just scum that's trying to argue that we shouldn't be doling out town cred to try to keep DW lynchableOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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like it seems totally reasonable to me that DW would call bullshit on a plan that clearly helps the scum team and peta's argument that it's justLAMISTfalls flat for me.
could someone besides me start posting?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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