Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[samantha97]

Votecount

VFP [3]:

MaxTheFox, Gamma Emerald, ssbm_Kyouko

Free Money Free Tea [2]:

Dunnstral, Save The Dragons

JohnnyFarrar[1]:

ItalianoVD

Noraa [1]:

VFP

Not Voting: Noraa, Free Money Free Tea, JohnnyFarrar, Andresvmb

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-06-05 19:44:00) or when majority is reached.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I said directly because you said serpentine and I wanted to make it clear that I did not ask about your role in a roundabout way.

As I've mentioned several times already, I dont want to leave anything open to be changed later when it becomes convenient for scum!FMFT or scum!Gamma.

I would not ever consider that someone would leave another player's alignment out of their claim, not that I agree with you regarding role and alignment. You think if FMFT knew your alignment he would leave it out? Roles in general are not always tied to alignment, and Cop Enabler is certainly not tied to alignment (in a Normal).

[MaxTheFox]

@Max how new are you to the game?

I played mafia elsewhere (mostly chat) but this is my first game on Mafiacum.

[MaxTheFox]

NO NO NO NO NO NO NOT THAT TYPO

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Cop enabler seems like a good role to put on a mafioso to reduce swing. But that's not hard evidence for Gamma being scum because that might be what the mod wants us to think.

I'd like people who SR me to explain why if it's not a gut read.

Who SRs you?

@Max please address this while you're online

[MaxTheFox]

Cop enabler seems like a good role to put on a mafioso to reduce swing. But that's not hard evidence for Gamma being scum because that might be what the mod wants us to think.

I'd like people who SR me to explain why if it's not a gut read.

Who SRs you?

@Max please address this while you're online

This, mostly:

MaxtheFox is my main suspect but him being scum might be a little too convenient tbh so he might be town.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Max how new are you to the game?

I played mafia elsewhere (mostly chat) but this is my first game on Mafiacum.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NOT THAT TYPO

omg this is priceless
I have had issues with such typos in chat mafia, which has resulted in time-outs due to it being a prohibited word

[Gamma Emerald]

I said directly because you said serpentine and I wanted to make it clear that I did not ask about your role in a roundabout way.

As I've mentioned several times already, I dont want to leave anything open to be changed later when it becomes convenient for scum!FMFT or scum!Gamma.

I would not ever consider that someone would leave another player's alignment out of their claim, not that I agree with you regarding role and alignment. You think if FMFT knew your alignment he would leave it out? Roles in general are not always tied to alignment, and Cop Enabler is certainly not tied to alignment (in a Normal).

perhaps you missed the part about intentional vagueness? So what if there's more to my role? It's not exactly your business to know it currently. The thing that's important is that I am a Cop Enabler. And why do you think your questions would be inconvenient for either scum!me or scum!FMFT?

[Free Money Free Tea]

VOTE: Nora

VOTE: VFP

[VFP]

I just look at every MaxtheFox post and wonder, how is this town?

[Free Money Free Tea]

I guess Italiano is town then.
Role A is follower.

[Gamma Emerald]

why is Italiano town? That seems like a non-sequitur

[VFP]

why is Italiano town? That seems like a non-sequitur

[MaxTheFox]

I just look at every MaxtheFox post and wonder, how is this town?

Ok mafioso

Soon I will publish updated reads.

[Free Money Free Tea]

why is Italiano town? That seems like a non-sequitur

I'm just saying my thoughts - it has nothing to do with the follower.

[MaxTheFox]

Reads (anyone not mentioned is null, reads are mostly tonal if no reason if given):

Town bin

MaxTheFox - duh
Noraa - practically the town leader
Save The Dragons
Gamma Emerald

Town lean

Lukewarm - I like their reads
Gamma Emerald
RLotus

Scum lean

VFP - they seem to keep out of the limelight and their posts just smell weird to me
Kyouko

Scum bin

Nobody yet.

Reads (anyone not mentioned is null, reads are mostly tonal if no reason if given):

Town bin

MaxTheFox - duh
Noraa - practically the town leader
Save The Dragons

Town lean

Kyouko - redeemed themself in my eyes
JohnyFarrar - I like their tone
ItalianoVD - ditto

Scum lean

FMFT - his hammer is weird and his actions are needlessly brash. Could just be a townie with a weird playstyle.

Scum bin

VFP - I am down to hang this.

[Gamma Emerald]

why do I appear twice in the initial list but nowhere in the current one?

[MaxTheFox]

For the first, that was a copypaste error I think. For the second I am doubting you due to FMFT's result that says you are a cop enabler which would make more sense as a mafia role. Not enough to push into scum lean though.

[Dunnstral]

I need more explanations behind these VFP scumreads

[Dunnstral]

VFP is my current SR. He is very jumpy and his posts just seem gross to me.

How is this a better vote than FTSP who has spewed a bunch of nonsense about other roles that no town role would know?

Why would there be a town informed who knows that gamma is a cop enabler, and that there's a follower in the game? The role doesn't make sense as a town role, plus FTSP is voting for VFP too

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I said directly because you said serpentine and I wanted to make it clear that I did not ask about your role in a roundabout way.

As I've mentioned several times already, I dont want to leave anything open to be changed later when it becomes convenient for scum!FMFT or scum!Gamma.

I would not ever consider that someone would leave another player's alignment out of their claim, not that I agree with you regarding role and alignment. You think if FMFT knew your alignment he would leave it out? Roles in general are not always tied to alignment, and Cop Enabler is certainly not tied to alignment (in a Normal).

perhaps you missed the part about intentional vagueness? So what if there's more to my role? It's not exactly your business to know it currently. The thing that's important is that I am a Cop Enabler. And why do you think your questions would be inconvenient for either scum!me or scum!FMFT?

I didnt ask what it was though, I asked if there was more to it. If you get flipped and appear as only a Cop Enabler it makes things difficult for scum!FMFT now that he has confirmed he got mod info that only part of your role is Cop Enabler.

[Dunnstral]

Fmft and gamma interactions feels like traitor to group scum, likely facilitated by lying about Gamma's role confidently

The follower thing could be real info that a traitor would want to out

[Dunnstral]

Alright I have info that I'm ready to out: I have the role of backup lazy cop. So, when rtlotus died I became a lazy cop; I checked Free Money Free Tea and he is indeed mafia

The lazy modifier means that if there is only 1 mafia remaining, I can't use my ability

Gamma is probably mafia as well from multiple angles:
-Town enabler runs contrary to the design goals of town backup
-The above is compounded upon by mafia knowing of a cop enabler on night 1, which should certainly render my role useless under normal circumstances
-Despite a member of the mafia knowing his role he didn't die, even though there weren't any other pr targets
-My role is already gated by the lazy modifier
-The way FMFT and Gamma are playing around each other today
-The way Gamma is being super dodgy with his claim
-The rest of their play isn't great anyway

Now, if anybody else has backed up the jailkeeper, which seems moderately likely to me, I'd put serious consideration into jailkeeping me, regardless of the roleblock

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: FMFT

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I had already considered fakeclaiming backup cop to protect the real backup cop that I assumed existed ftr