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[Andresvmb]

both T3 and DW are calling Rathe scum but didn't vote him. You did and you want to see if they would vote there. In your mind, this accomplishes what?

Nero not going to lie - nom cubed seems like Town to me. I think you’re arguing the wrong thing. Getting reactions and stances is valuable. Scum also love to get involved from the sidelines in heated debates, but stay above the fray as much as possible, especially if it’s between two Town.

[petapan]

lol nero and dwlee are absolutely howling right now

@Petapan you seem like a competent player - I’m not seeing this. Perhaps Dwlee is Scum (they had an awkwardly phrased response on Page 1, and I don’t disagree with you that arguing against DGB there is easy), but I think you’re wrong on Nero (or are expressing too much confidence Nero is Scum, rather). I’ll keep reading, maybe I’ll change my mind, but I think you’re coming out a bit too hot.

coming out hot is what day 1 is for, timidity is boring

[Andresvmb]

lol nero and dwlee are absolutely howling right now

@Petapan you seem like a competent player - I’m not seeing this. Perhaps Dwlee is Scum (they had an awkwardly phrased response on Page 1, and I don’t disagree with you that arguing against DGB there is easy), but I think you’re wrong on Nero (or are expressing too much confidence Nero is Scum, rather). I’ll keep reading, maybe I’ll change my mind, but I think you’re coming out a bit too hot.

coming out hot is what day 1 is for, timidity is boring

I agree about not being timid. Hell, if you read any game of mine, you’ll quickly realize we play similarly. I was making a point that perhaps you’re being too aggressive. It’s quite possible you’re wrong about Nero. I understand what you’re arguing, and frankly Dwlee99 seems somewhat Scummy. But Nero Cain approached this whole thing by simply attacking the argument DGB was making (which, frankly, isn’t great), siding with DW on the point. I think you’re correct in that the position Dw took is an easy one for Scum. But bashing Nero for agreeing on the merits of Dw’s position doesn’t seem right.

Now, if I start SR’ing Nero I’ll let you know.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: osuka

[petapan]

i understand what you're saying and realize that no one has patience for any further back and forth, even though i'm still strong on the read i'm just repeating myself at this point. that's why i'm trying to broaden my view of the game and who i interact with right now rather than mindlessly tunneling

[Andresvmb]

yea, saying there's likely scum in a group of 5.

C’mon now. The mathematical argument made by petapan there is correct. Pick out any random group of 5 people, you’re spectacularly likely to have at least 1 Scum in that group. The odds of this are easily calculated (~82% from the perspective of a Town player, assuming 4 Scum).

[Andresvmb]

I really haven't played much mafia

Is this a general statement or a statement about how many games you’ve played

recently

? Because your account is ~5 years old.

[Andresvmb]

Okay, thanks. And are those threads usually related to specific PRs or is it possible for vanilla roles to have access to PTs?

Oh I see that you’re actually inexperienced - played some Newbie games some years ago, and came back for this game. Is that a correct summation of your experience? Because you do

sound

inexperienced, but I don’t want to assume anything.

[Andresvmb]

@VFP I actually think you’re Town here - talk to me about osuka.

[Andresvmb]

@Rathe why do you think people are SR’ing you here? Do you think it’s play style driven? I haven’t seen any crazy takes from you so far, so I can’t say that I’m seeing it.

This Anya/Kyouko fight is fascinating haha I won’t make any assumptions that a Neighborhood definitely contains 1 Town, 1 Scum, but I think it’s fascinating that Anya decided to reveal that so early. I think it’s indicative of Town more often than not, but could be wrong.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway, I’m going to go eat some ice cream and go to bed. I’ll be back tomorrow.

[VFP]

It's not an RVS vote btw

there a reason that you aren't using your words to try to get DGB lynched?

Been trying to talk to Anya but she's just trolling me

don't turn this around on me if you others saw what you're writing down in there you'd be dead 3 weeks ago

If I'm to believe one it's SSBM here.
Both give a run down of whats said so far from either side.

[VFP]

yes that's about what i was getting at - bogging things down in some boring "correct" argument is how i'd expect scum to approach someone coming out with a wacky plan to start the day - it's an easy point to make and offers basically nothing. i hit him with my vote for it and didn't like the response.

nero of course is dead set on trying to misconstrue that i was arguing that no one should claim at all in accordance with dgb, which is not what i was trying to say and i don't think someone making an honest reading could get that (except T3, but he's a special case)

If anything it feels like your vote should be towards Nero more than Dwlee.
With the above it just seems more that players like Dwlee and T3 are mis understanding your view while Nero is using this to push agenda.

I don't think Nero is, and I don't think that this scum read is strong enough to have had Dwlee in the lead votes at this point.
How does Dwlee town react to DGB's plan?

Also, what is the mod information / meta you have?
Assuming this relates to the information you were talking about?

[VFP]

lol nero and dwlee are absolutely howling right now

@Petapan you seem like a competent player - I’m not seeing this. Perhaps Dwlee is Scum (they had an awkwardly phrased response on Page 1, and I don’t disagree with you that arguing against DGB there is easy), but I think you’re wrong on Nero (or are expressing too much confidence Nero is Scum, rather). I’ll keep reading, maybe I’ll change my mind, but I think you’re coming out a bit too hot.

Was it originally arguing as much as just stating a view?
Let's not pretend here that Dwlee went into this looking for conflict to the suggestion because that's not how it reads at all.

[VFP]

osuka is town.

I don’t trust that you can make this statement with any sort of reasonable degree of certainty this early. You’re not Scum again are you?

This is one of my concerns right now.
T3 not giving off that town scent yet

[Rathe]

@Rathe why do you think people are SR’ing you here? Do you think it’s play style driven? I haven’t seen any crazy takes from you so far, so I can’t say that I’m seeing it.

i get scumread until people understand how i play

[Rathe]

i dont get bothered by it they just need to trust me so its ok

[Rathe]

if u ask me questions then u understand me better

[Rathe]

otherwise u wont understand everything

[Rathe]

everyone is saying he is town but i dont think so

VOTE: osuka

[Rathe]

his iso is just talking to everybody to say he did

[Rathe]

but its nothing

[Rathe]

scum hardly ever has any good reason to hardbus d1, get your head out of your ass

what does this mean u said this like it had a point

[VFP]

@VFP I actually think you’re Town here - talk to me about osuka.

I've only played with scum Osuka but there's some things he likes to do. Look busy and waste his vote.
But I'm probably not the best person to ask for a day1 read on Osuka. If he's scum he's probably more inclined to avoid a back and fourth argument with me.

[VFP]

if u ask me questions then u understand me better

Talking of which, I asked you some questions that I'm waiting on.