Newbie 2064 - (GG)

[Cabd]

Votecount 2-1

With 7 players alive, it will take 4 votes to eliminate.

JacksonVirgo (2): NinjaStore, humaneatingmonkey
NinjaStore (1): JamesThenames


Not Voting (4): JacksonVirgo, Orctin, navigatorv, Dum

The deadline for day two is set at (expired on 2021-06-07 16:54:38)

[navigatorv]

I'll respond to James' accusations later, busy with work rn

[JamesTheNames]

I'll respond to James' accusations later, busy with work rn

Taking a break from studying because I also need to sleep. It was more an off the cuff accusation than a genuine accusation. more along the lines of, I want to check if it is a possible thing or not.

[orctin]

So we have basically started this day getting straight into it

Jackson versus Ninja seems to be the early theme - I had read jackson town during day 1 and hadn't really looked to alter that much - but the suspicion of a JV/Dum pairing does raise the eyebrows there. I do also notice which seems like HEM backing ninja's play early voting for JV before even giving much of a reason for it. That's always suspect to me as i tend to feel people should have some reason behind their votes instead of just a quick vote, But there was expanded back and forth afterwards, as if players seem to think they need the vote to get another's attention. HEM did that one day 1 when he joined the game as well.

Far as Nav versus James i think that's to been seen yet - expecting more to come of that.

That whole "hammer early debate" thing that started things off - I can see the reasoning behind it as far as a longer day benefits town but threatening players and noting that since we have made this post anyone that quick votes is most likely a townie who doesn't know better, seems such a suspect thing to say. It's basically giving scum a quick thing to claim if they did hammer, to just say, "oh my mistake i didn't know better". I dislike trying to quantify putting possible votes/eliminations in a box - every game is different, people are different, and trying to sort out every game into a set of "unwritten rules" to be carried out by the older more experienced players hampers the growth of new players. Prefer to let the games unfold as the do.

[Cabd]

JacksonVirgo has requested replacement. Searching...

[humaneatingmonkey]

So we have basically started this day getting straight into it

what would have rather done?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think JamesTheNames is town.

[JamesTheNames]

So we have basically started this day getting straight into it

Jackson versus Ninja seems to be the early theme - I had read jackson town during day 1 and hadn't really looked to alter that much - but the suspicion of a JV/Dum pairing does raise the eyebrows there. I do also notice which seems like HEM backing ninja's play early voting for JV before even giving much of a reason for it. That's always suspect to me as i tend to feel people should have some reason behind their votes instead of just a quick vote, But there was expanded back and forth afterwards, as if players seem to think they need the vote to get another's attention. HEM did that one day 1 when he joined the game as well.

Far as Nav versus James i think that's to been seen yet - expecting more to come of that.

That whole "hammer early debate" thing that started things off - I can see the reasoning behind it as far as a longer day benefits town but threatening players and noting that since we have made this post anyone that quick votes is most likely a townie who doesn't know better, seems such a suspect thing to say. It's basically giving scum a quick thing to claim if they did hammer, to just say, "oh my mistake i didn't know better". I dislike trying to quantify putting possible votes/eliminations in a box - every game is different, people are different, and trying to sort out every game into a set of "unwritten rules" to be carried out by the older more experienced players hampers the growth of new players. Prefer to let the games unfold as the do.

Can we expect more input from you orctin? 38 and 374 give contradicting statements as to how you play, it would be nice for a clarification which one is true.
I don't understand the sudden switch from nobody believing me regarding a JacksonVirgo/Dum pair in day 1, then all of a sudden, Ninja and Orctin both going with it.

For anyone wondering the test did not go well, but I just need 1.4% or higher to pass this year.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't understand the sudden switch from nobody believing me regarding a JacksonVirgo/Dum pair in day 1, then all of a sudden, Ninja and Orctin both going with it.

Join me in the JacksonVirgo wagon

[humaneatingmonkey]

NinjaStore is town

[JamesTheNames]

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Orc - that almost hammer got me on tilt man

I still dont understand this "Almost hammer thing" - and it's not just you but a couple people - I didn't hammer micc back on post 64 when there was 4 votes on him - i made it clear then i was going to allow him a chance to post and explain his side - i waited allowing time for discussion, didn't see anything to change my mind and then added my vote to him - during that time other people had changed their votes and i'm getting called out for some trap play which is about the silliest thing i had heard of when it was clear he wasn't at E-1 at the time as i explained then.

Dum at this point moved himself into the suspect list for pushing some poorly played maneuver when i had made clear my position when i didn't hammer, and when i put the vote there. This to me was a scum play trying to push against myself to intimidate me into some kind of being afraid to vote thing or something, really i have no idea what he was doing cause anyone paying attention clearly knew what was up with the votes at the time. It was only cause he was going to be out for a few days that i didn't vote for him then.

You can see that i tend to put pressure on someone first - gauge their reaction, then look to vote. This whole setup here of people voting to gauge reaction is just backwards to my normal way of thinking and playing where i'm from.

Jackson - Hope you find some peace there, or bit of chill time, so far i had a town read on you and would only vote to elim you if it was a general concensious of the group. I know we had the other game that was just a huge hate fest battle thanks to the other guy and know two game of what can be seen as anger posting battles can be stressful to someone.

NinjaStore is town

Why?

[JamesTheNames]

Why do you do this mobile????
Why do you think NinjaStore is town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

In my experience, newbscum seldom use "gut" to justify their actions because they're too afraid to seem like they're pulling reads out of their ass so they're more inclined to use "evidence".

[JamesTheNames]

Why would town apply one thing to one person and not another?

[humaneatingmonkey]

That nav quote doesn't give me the same "trying to look like town" vibes as what JV said. The more concerning nav quote is the one I linked last page: 539

This was his answer, which I believe. He doesn't have to be accurate. He doesn't have to be right. I just need to believe that he believes this, and I have no reason not to.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If I'm right that you're town, and I think I'm right that you're town, you need to understand this:

Scumhunting isn't finding who the most fallible townie in the bunch is. Sometimes, scum is the least fallible of the bunch because they're already informed about the game and they know the right answers. You need to look for people who don't look like they believe what they're saying or who don't look like they're sincere in trying to find out who the scum is.

Right now, who would you eliminate and who wouldn't you eliminate?

[JamesTheNames]

That nav quote doesn't give me the same "trying to look like town" vibes as what JV said. The more concerning nav quote is the one I linked last page: 539

This was his answer, which I believe. He doesn't have to be accurate. He doesn't have to be right. I just need to believe that he believes this, and I have no reason not to.

I think we're going to be disagreeing this day phase. I don't think he is genuine with regards to this.

[JamesTheNames]

If I'm right that you're town, and I think I'm right that you're town, you need to understand this:

Scumhunting isn't finding who the most fallible townie in the bunch is. Sometimes, scum is the least fallible of the bunch because they're already informed about the game and they know the right answers. You need to look for people who don't look like they believe what they're saying or who don't look like they're sincere in trying to find out who the scum is.

Right now, who would you eliminate and who wouldn't you eliminate?

I can say for sure I don't want you or navigatorv out of the game yet. I'd like to see what the replacement for JacksonVirgo's slot thinks about the game, orctin and Dum haven't been here. NinjaStore makes me hesitant. I am comfortable with my current vote.

[orctin]

Can we expect more input from you orctin? 38 and 374 give contradicting statements as to how you play, it would be nice for a clarification which one is true.
I don't understand the sudden switch from nobody believing me regarding a JacksonVirgo/Dum pair in day 1, then all of a sudden, Ninja and Orctin both going with it.

For anyone wondering the test did not go well, but I just need 1.4% or higher to pass this year.

I'm not seeing what you calling contradicting - in both cases and as i keep say i prefer to allow discussion before voting instead of just voting to push the issue. It to me is the logical course of action in a game.

As far as your question on the JV/Dum thing - I keep an open mind and trying not to form hard opinion - but see things from other angles to help see what i might miss, which is why i noted that seeing your reference to the Pairing caught my attention as something i might of missed and was worth noting. This format of play is still new to me as i'm more used to a "role madness" game where everyone gets some type of info/action - the whole speculate to speculate is out of my wheelhouse.

[orctin]

The whole replacing players makes me nuts as well but seems to be the way here. I was looking at Micc early on and probably Dum paired with him. Then we got James, Johnny and HEM swapped in to replace players and now JV getting replaced - this seems almost like a broken system to me and we not replacing 4 of the 9 people who started the game. But i guess that's mostly my OCD issues but it's like if people dont like the way the game is going for them they just opt out.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Having trouble with the game, orctin? Replace-ins are very common in newbie games because not everybody appreciates long-form mafia.

Tell me about your reads.

[orctin]

Jackson - at this point i'm looking at changing my opinion of him - I played game with him prior to this so had bit of bias to liking the player - but the frustration tactic day 1 to back off the attacks on themselves then the looking to opt out make me think we have a scum who basically have given up defending themselves now

Dum - I've been leary about Dum since game started - the whole Hammer trap he tried to play was just a bad play, and moreso when i had clearly made my position known before then and it was obvious there was no trap as the votes had been posted - this was a weak attempt to make me appear as if i was just trying to do something that i had already shown not to do - end day early.

HEM - aggressive player, just goes right out after people, attacking and going after reads which seem to be singular minded but strong played in your positions. If i were to look for scum tells here i would have to put HEM and James together in a pairing where they counter each other at points to keep the unpaired appearance. I would think the quick Voting HEM does is also bad, as could be a scum tell to be the early person on a vote, see if it hold ground by trying to get others to go along with it and so as to not appear as a late comer to the train.

James - for the most part i read as town, I like his questioning nature to look at things first to form an opinion. I haven't seen a pairing yet with him but that would basically make him a good pairing with myself if i were looking at scum read pair from outside the looking glass.

Nav/Ninja - Nav - i think here's a high likelyhood of pushing the scum look on a player gameplay, that again i was biased to as i played with before (JV), to push him to that breaking point some people have. Nav is playing the excellent townie role, and have most people believing he's town, which if most people think one thing it's the job of the last person to ask if it's true, i wonder if there is perhaps a great scum player lurking here. Ninja - This the Ying to Nav's Yang - Ninja is thoughtful - looking at Both HEM and JV and trying to read between the lines of the two of them looking for those clues others might of missed. But overall i think Nav/Ninja seem to both fit in the same mold here. I would think if JV flips Town - one of the two of them is scum.

[navigatorv]

Seems I'm not too popular lately. I'm curious, what about my behavior has everyone suspecting me being scum? It's just odd that we ended day one with most everyone agreeing I'm town, but now there's been at least three people to suspect me and I don't know what changed.
I'm not really sure where everyone stands in my mind rn. I think being completely off base with my vote has me questioning myself so I think I ought to read through the thread again

[NinjaStore]

Jackson - at this point i'm looking at changing my opinion of him - I played game with him prior to this so had bit of bias to liking the player - but the frustration tactic day 1 to back off the attacks on themselves then the looking to opt out make me think we have a scum who basically have given up defending themselves now

Dum - I've been leary about Dum since game started - the whole Hammer trap he tried to play was just a bad play, and moreso when i had clearly made my position known before then and it was obvious there was no trap as the votes had been posted - this was a weak attempt to make me appear as if i was just trying to do something that i had already shown not to do - end day early.

HEM - aggressive player, just goes right out after people, attacking and going after reads which seem to be singular minded but strong played in your positions. If i were to look for scum tells here i would have to put HEM and James together in a pairing where they counter each other at points to keep the unpaired appearance. I would think the quick Voting HEM does is also bad, as could be a scum tell to be the early person on a vote, see if it hold ground by trying to get others to go along with it and so as to not appear as a late comer to the train.

James - for the most part i read as town, I like his questioning nature to look at things first to form an opinion. I haven't seen a pairing yet with him but that would basically make him a good pairing with myself if i were looking at scum read pair from outside the looking glass.

Nav/Ninja - Nav -

i think here's a high likelyhood of pushing the scum look on a player gameplay

, that again i was biased to as i played with before (JV), to push him to that breaking point some people have. Nav is playing the excellent townie role, and have most people believing he's town, which if most people think one thing it's the job of the last person to ask if it's true, i wonder if there is perhaps a great scum player lurking here. Ninja - This the Ying to Nav's Yang - Ninja is thoughtful - looking at Both HEM and JV and trying to read between the lines of the two of them looking for those clues others might of missed. But overall i think Nav/Ninja seem to both fit in the same mold here. I would think if JV flips Town - one of the two of them is scum.

I don't really understand what you mean in the green part. Could you clarify?

[orctin]

A tactic of a scum player pushing another person to appear as the scummie - there's been a lot of Push onto Jackson - both in playstyle, and overall back and forth - scum can find a player they identify as a weaker player who cant defend themselves well or get frustrated easy and target that player to make them appear as scum be not being able to handle the pressure of the game. This is my own take as i been playing this game for years, and have used this tactic myself before as all's fair in mafia Course afterwards i usually talked to the person to help them understand what happened and how to improve on their own gameplay for next time.