Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Something_Smart]

like even if you don't think it's good content i think LLD's claim that the post morph quoted is anya's only hunting post is just not right.

I see what you're getting at. But I also don't really fault LLD for not agreeing with you.

[Chara]

i don't think they're both scum but i'm okay with either wagon. my heart says Sigmund isn't scum but it's not a strong enough feeling that i care to listen to it very much.

VOTE: Sigmund

i don't think Flea's recent posts are any better but i'm willing to consider rl for why fae is behaving differently.

pedit: sure, i don't think LLD is scum for the push, i said as much.

[Farkran]

I liked fleas most recent posts a decent amount and I still don't like a single thing sigmund has done all game.

Do you? I actually had the opposite impression on flea. STD made me change my mind with his posts, at least enough to live another day - flea's anwers and reasoning don't seem to be in line with a town mindset in the last ~10 pages? Maybe it's just a consequence of faer week, or because this is a large messy game, but fae reacted differently when fae got mislimmed d2 in chara's isaac game where i was scum

@chara am i misremembering?

[Sigmund]

I liked fleas most recent posts a decent amount and I still don't like a single thing sigmund has done all game.

What did you like about them?

[Farkran]

WRT anya i do agree that the wagon isn't good mostly because of titus imo

Flea v sigmund isn't anything i'm super excited about but there is a chance of a red flip on one of the two wagons, currently i prefer being on flea

[Chara]

I liked fleas most recent posts a decent amount and I still don't like a single thing sigmund has done all game.

Do you? I actually had the opposite impression on flea. STD made me change my mind with his posts, at least enough to live another day - flea's anwers and reasoning don't seem to be in line with a town mindset in the last ~10 pages? Maybe it's just a consequence of faer week, or because this is a large messy game, but fae reacted differently when fae got mislimmed d2 in chara's isaac game where i was scum

@chara am i misremembering?

you're not, this is how i remember it too, and i believe it was Bell who pointed that out when i argued the opposite (that Flea was town).
i still prefer Flea as the elimination but i guess i'm susceptible to the argument fae is acting different due to irl.

[Farkran]

Was Bell in that game?

[Thestatusquo]

I liked fleas most recent posts a decent amount and I still don't like a single thing sigmund has done all game.

Do you? I actually had the opposite impression on flea. STD made me change my mind with his posts, at least enough to live another day - flea's anwers and reasoning don't seem to be in line with a town mindset in the last ~10 pages? Maybe it's just a consequence of faer week, or because this is a large messy game, but fae reacted differently when fae got mislimmed d2 in chara's isaac game where i was scum

@chara am i misremembering?

@this and @s_s

I like how unconcerned they seem about facing elim. There's not a huge push back survival instinct that I would expect to see from scum!flea. In flea scum games the response is usually to attack those attacking fae, which fae doesn't do with guillotina which is consistent with Flea thinking that fae is being pushed by a town-read. I liked the stuff about S_S as well, as it seems to match the kind of solving attempts I saw in my brief skim of the iso that morph posted.

[Farkran]

I liked fleas most recent posts a decent amount and I still don't like a single thing sigmund has done all game.

Do you? I actually had the opposite impression on flea. STD made me change my mind with his posts, at least enough to live another day - flea's anwers and reasoning don't seem to be in line with a town mindset in the last ~10 pages? Maybe it's just a consequence of faer week, or because this is a large messy game, but fae reacted differently when fae got mislimmed d2 in chara's isaac game where i was scum

@chara am i misremembering?

@this and @s_s

I like how unconcerned they seem about facing elim. There's not a huge push back survival instinct that I would expect to see from scum!flea. In flea scum games the response is usually to attack those attacking fae, which fae doesn't do with guillotina which is consistent with Flea thinking that fae is being pushed by a town-read. I liked the stuff about S_S as well, as it seems to match the kind of solving attempts I saw in my brief skim of the iso that morph posted.

If you're into metadiving, check this https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12726633

Day 2

I'm going from memory so i might be wrong somewhere but i'd rather have more people be on the same page

[Thestatusquo]

I'm seeing 2 major differences in this ISO:

1) the omgus and
2) the higher effort

I guess I just dont really find that definitive given the real life stuff and the fact that I've seen Flea OMGUS as scum too so it seems weird to me as either alignment.

I'm there for y'all right at deadline because there are real differences but not until I'm absolutely sure that we're not getting sigmund/STD/Ircher today.

[Save The Dragons]

Maybe we should just have Flea, Sigmund, and Ircher (and STD maybe?) all claim right now, and we lynch the claim we can live the least without.

lol wut?

i fall into the "i have trouble reading Flea" camp. i don't think faer's the towniest town, but i prefer sigmund. oops i slipped.

i guess i expect a little more out of anya than an OMGUS vote on LLD, but i'm not sure yet if i'd want to vote anya instead.

2795 has Artemiana twice on it

[Thestatusquo]

Artemiana is voting anya, not sigmund. Was trying to do it quickly.

[Guillotina]

I'd be comfortable treating this game entirely like a smalltown, where we just ignore roleclaims.

Well, even if all claims are NAI, there are still some roles you would want to keep alive because they're valuable. But I can get behind this.

And how do you propose we keep those roles alive if they are claimed? This logic does not track.

[Guillotina]

Like I'm really not interested in doing any of Ircher Sigmund or Flea today. They're all bad wagons.

Please, illuminate me on why Ircher, Sigmund and Flea are all bad wagons?

[Guillotina]

Would you compromise on Anya?

You would be vote 5
Bingle 6
Morph 7

+

With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon

I wouldn't vote Anya for reasons. That being said, i don't know the player, i don't think i can read her properly, and i don't think it would be particularly valuable info compared to the alternatives.

What reasons?

[Guillotina]

i don't think they're both scum but i'm okay with either wagon. my heart says Sigmund isn't scum but it's not a strong enough feeling that i care to listen to it very much.

VOTE: Sigmund

i don't think Flea's recent posts are any better but i'm willing to consider rl for why fae is behaving differently.

pedit: sure, i don't think LLD is scum for the push, i said as much.

I scumread this post. OGI has nothing to do with alignment rand.

[Farkran]

Would you compromise on Anya?

You would be vote 5
Bingle 6
Morph 7

+

With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon

I wouldn't vote Anya for reasons. That being said, i don't know the player, i don't think i can read her properly, and i don't think it would be particularly valuable info compared to the alternatives.

What reasons?

Reasons is the placeholder of "i can't talk about it now"

[Guillotina]

Would you compromise on Anya?

You would be vote 5
Bingle 6
Morph 7

+

With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon

I wouldn't vote Anya for reasons. That being said, i don't know the player, i don't think i can read her properly, and i don't think it would be particularly valuable info compared to the alternatives.

What reasons?

Reasons is the placeholder of "i can't talk about it now"

Oh ok, got cha.

[Something_Smart]

And how do you propose we keep those roles alive if they are claimed? This logic does not track.

You mean like, how do we avoid scum killing someone, or what?

Bingle was saying that we should execute without regard to role claim. But if someone gets run up and claims a role that scum want to kill, I'm happy to let scum take care of that for us.

[Something_Smart]

OGI has nothing to do with alignment rand.

No, but it can provide an alternative explanation for otherwise scummy behavior.

[Flea The Magician]

Eugh I'm going to need to ISO read guill.. progression is weird as fuck.

@Flea Yesterday you townread me pre-TMI accusation and town leaned post-TMI accusation, refer to my “dumb tells” as NAI and now you say that my progression is weird as fuck, how come you didnt think it was weird as fuck yesterday?

@everyone I can compromise with a vote in my scumreads. I'd rather they were Flea, but i'd vote Sigmund too. The fact that he called me wolfboy when i was pushing him for TMI and then he is using my TMI accusation on Flea to defend himself, instead of explaining himself why he scumreads Flea and is voting for Flea plus his entire irritation and fluff play during this game keeps bothering.

I individually scumread both Sigmund and Flea, im just having a hard time putting them together as a possible team now, unless that moment right there was not an instigation but rather Flea distancing from Sigmund and a pocket attempt on me.

You're doing the thing where you're like a 1 person tornado and it's a town tell for you - yes even meta aware wildcards have decently reliable tells. Mine is I deep wolf or open wolf, and I can't shift that one easily, annoyingly. So TR.

Honestly, I'm unsure if town you would make such a shitty ass push based on that level BS, and it made us question. We're sure you've said before that we're a good consistent D1 mislim. Context and tone from you with Sigmund suggested a connection as the conviction you had in your sigmund deal had completly vanished to be replaced with comradery.

We weren't looking backwards through 40 odd pages yesterday to see the longer term progression which is the bit we found weird and why it wasn't mentioned yesterday. Your progression sucks throughout the course of the game we're reading through currently.

Honestly I try and pocket you in every damn game because it's fun and you react differently every time.

You're not weird enough to try a dumbtell approach to get town points, and honestly. you strike me as someone who'd rather work for the read than pull stuff like that. A win is a win, but its better when you earn it kinda deal.

With this post, your progression comes back out of WTF range and makes a little more sense. The Guill we know guns at Sigmund for opportunisms here and honestly we're thinking potential connections with the sudden friendliness because we know you're as savage a scummer as we are. So there's another chunk of doubt in there.

[Guillotina]

And how do you propose we keep those roles alive if they are claimed? This logic does not track.

You mean like, how do we avoid scum killing someone, or what?

Bingle was saying that we should execute without regard to role claim. But if someone gets run up and claims a role that scum want to kill, I'm happy to let scum take care of that for us.

The way i interpreted Bingle is that they were against roleclaiming without being at imminent danger of elimination, not that we should execute regardless of claim.

[Something_Smart]

Oh, perhaps. Claiming without imminent danger of execution is indeed bad, so if that's what he was saying then I agree.

[morph the cat]

Would you compromise on Anya?

You would be vote 5
Bingle 6
Morph 7

+

With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon

I wouldn't vote Anya for reasons. That being said, i don't know the player, i don't think i can read her properly, and i don't think it would be particularly valuable info compared to the alternatives.

i'm here re: anya too.

like, i would vote her to avoid a no-elim, but it's the same as voting a null read.

pedit: i can get behind anything that isn't "have three players claim to settle which one to elim".

I have seen nothing from anya that makes me think they're >rand scum. And this wagon stinks of a scum driven counter wagon.

Who is/are the scum voting anya?

[borkjerfkin]

so i heard u liek