Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[samantha97]

Votecount

VFP [4]:

Gamma Emerald, MaxTheFox, ssbm_Kyouko, Noraa

[-1]

Gamma Emerald [2]:

Save The Dragons, ItalianoVD

Noraa [1]:

VFP

Not Voting: JohnnyFarrar, Andresvmb

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-06-09 19:58:00) or when majority is reached.

[Noraa]

They didn’t really townping early, italy has done so more recently, but idk if either of them are scum, it’s currently just theoretical off of thinking one scum is probably more active than the rest

I have a thought! I think Ita is probably town. I have sliiiight reservations on this read.
But that one post that he wrote that set me off. I think its a town tell.
I think scum would be more careful to be on town's good sides.
The issue is that maybe he legitimately just didn't think much about it cuz he thought it sounded fine.
But overall, I still think its probably a town tell anyways.

[Noraa]

What’s your read on Andres rn, Noraa?

still scum :/

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking over Andres’ play, I kinda feel like he has a towny arrogance to him
PEdit: why so? I know y’all went at it early, is it still based on that?

[Save The Dragons]

aw man you're going to make me read what's happened aren't you

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think VFP is scum here but i'll keep looking just in case

what's the case against VFP

[Noraa]

towny arrogance

I dont think thats AI at this point. its seems like a personality trait ....

[Noraa]

i don't think VFP is scum here but i'll keep looking just in case

what's the case against VFP

Kill all jesters.

[Gamma Emerald]

i don't think VFP is scum here but i'll keep looking just in case

what's the case against VFP

VFP’s play has flip-flopped around as it has been convenient for him to do so

[Noraa]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the game but I'm going to be vla for one week!
Because ap exams.
However, Sam send me the prod messages according to the rules and I'll pick them up.
Since I'll be gone a week and it's vla status, I should only pick up 2 prods at most depending on your rules.
I'll read some stuff and post some content when prodded but thats all we're getting from me before my exams.
June 6-10 are days that I 100% will not reply to anything. Replace me if thats an issue. Any other day and I can pick up a prod!

@mod

Ig I'll send this by pm too so the mod sees it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i don't think VFP is scum here but i'll keep looking just in case

what's the case against VFP

I have a small wall without quotes that imo sums it up best.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Posts 1031-1035 are my VFP case

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I also dont think scum!Gamma has a conceivable partner and that outside of claims that VFP has played a scummier game than Gamma.

I do have concerns that I am confbiased though that you may miss if you just skim

[ItalianoVD]

I'm glad someone finally said something about Johnny's reaction to Lukewarm

I said something about it in 750 also.

[ItalianoVD]

role cop learns role, not alignment

Yeah I know I said Mafia cop.

[ItalianoVD]

Think I'll have to reread d2 cuz I feel convinced Gamma's being framed and I'm just confbiasing at this point.

Ehhh, I don’t really see that. If he is town, what would be the reason for scum to frame him when he was getting scumread from several slots? I think it’s a stretch. Sometimes it’s just what it is and I think Gamma is just scum.

[ItalianoVD]

For anyone SRing Gamma, sell me on potential partners in the meantime while I read? Open to wild theories.

Nothing has really changed for me. I think scum is in some combination of Gamma, you, and Johnny. The way you and Gamma have sort of cleared each other at this point is kinda unusual.

[ItalianoVD]

Cool my other SR was true.

VOTE: VFP this is still most likely scum.

I don't believe Gamma is scum at least right now. VFP is the second mafia member. We can do this.

You too? Has VFP really stood out

more

than Gamma?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cool my other SR was true.

VOTE: VFP this is still most likely scum.

I don't believe Gamma is scum at least right now. VFP is the second mafia member. We can do this.

You too? Has VFP really stood out

more

than Gamma?

Is that really a fair question, given the disparity in post counts? I'm more likely to stand out given I've stuck my neck out more.

[ItalianoVD]

Spoiler:

I think VFP knew Gamma's role before it was revealed yesterDay and jumped the gun on voting him during FMFT'S partial claim. VFP was very active during the FMFT claim, more active than he has generally been in this game and prior to him voting Gamma for [reasons?] He had not voiced any suspicion of Gamma. Soon after he just says "I trust Gamma", switches to voting me, again for [reasons] (rolefishing?) and finally switches to Noraa for [reasons], although he has voiced suspicion of Noraa on D1 because she TRed him. He votes several people besides FMFT despite being one of the first onto his wagon. I think he wanted to get the vote in early before it looked like a bus as a hedge bet, and when FMFT wasn't speedlimmed for hammering RLotus, VFP saw a chance to try to shift the wagon without looking too suspicious.

As Noraa has pointed out his interaction with Max has been unusual his game but if you read them both you'll see Max's tone is fairly consistent and is likely to come from a newbie, regardless of alignment. VFP is also very actively (for VFP) keeping the idea of a Max lynch fresh hut never votes her. He also consistently discredits her and I think it's probably because 1) she's easy to discredit as a newbie and 2) people arent really paying attention to what she's saying as it is

Also threw in a quick look at the votes D1 and LMAO he was voting Gamma from RVS until Lotus was E-2. He did not push Gamma D1 and then morning of D2 he comes out the gate bussing his teammate who hammered the very same person he put to E-2

VOTE: VFP

I'm going to assume that there either is no Follower and that part of Gamma's role is modbait, or scum has the follower, and that is why nobody has said anything yet

Let's keep it that way unless the follower saw someone visit Dunn

[quote="In post 1031, ssbm_Kyouko"

Also threw in a quick look at the votes D1 and LMAO he was voting Gamma from RVS until Lotus was E-2. He did not push Gamma D1 and then morning of D2 he comes out the gate bussing his teammate who hammered the very same person he put to

E-1

VOTE: VFP

EBWOP - E-1*[/quote]

Ugh, in 1031 I meant to say VFP sat on Gamma all day then moved his vote to RLotus, putting RLotus to E-1

Uhh, yeah no. I don’t buy this.

Think about it, according to several players VFP has scummy posts and overall play, etc. He could more than likely just be trolling town? While someone could probably argue that Gamma has townie posts what’s transpired so far point to him being scum. Am I off in this? Somebody help me here.

[Gamma Emerald]

To me it feels like you're trying to conclude I'm scum and VFP is town in spite of the current state of our play
In order for that to track, you're gonna have to actually explain the thought process you're having

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm glad someone finally said something about Johnny's reaction to Lukewarm

I said something about it in 750 also.

Oh true, I think that was overshadowed in my mind by FMFT.

For anyone SRing Gamma, sell me on potential partners in the meantime while I read? Open to wild theories.

Nothing has really changed for me. I think scum is in some combination of Gamma, you, and Johnny. The way you and Gamma have sort of cleared each other at this point is kinda unusual.

I haven't cleared Gamma, I just think scum!Gamma is too easy. FMFT, from the scum team's POV, is likely screwed already coming into D2 because of the RLotus flip. Maybe if FMFT had lolhammered a VT, people could have been convinced the hammer came from town. Instead of trying to hold on to a full team he essentially fired a flare and said come and get me. I don't think it makes any sense to out scum!Gamma there. I think the hope was to line him up for a future mlim, and I dont want FMFT to get 2 for 1. Maybe it was just a bad play and Gamma is scum, but I'd like to think a team of 3 could come up with something better than that.

I understand it's going to be hard to get through to you on this because you see me as a potential partner of Gamma's but I'd ask you to set that aside for a minute and look at it from FMFT's POV, see if any of this clicks

[ItalianoVD]

I have no idea what’s happening on pgs 44-45 between VFP and Noraa.

[ItalianoVD]

Is that really a fair question, given the disparity in post counts? I'm more likely to stand out given I've stuck my neck out more.

I’m not at all talking about post counts, but I think you know that.

To me it feels like you're trying to conclude I'm scum and VFP is town in spite of the current state of our play
In order for that to track, you're gonna have to actually explain the thought process you're having

Well I pretty much said it in my last post.

[ItalianoVD]

I haven't cleared Gamma, I just think scum!Gamma is too easy. FMFT, from the scum team's POV, is likely screwed already coming into D2 because of the RLotus flip. Maybe if FMFT had lolhammered a VT, people could have been convinced the hammer came from town. Instead of trying to hold on to a full team he essentially fired a flare and said come and get me. I don't think it makes any sense to out scum!Gamma there. I think the hope was to line him up for a future mlim, and I dont want FMFT to get 2 for 1. Maybe it was just a bad play and Gamma is scum, but I'd like to think a team of 3 could come up with something better than that.

I understand it's going to be hard to get through to you on this because you see me as a potential partner of Gamma's but I'd ask you to set that aside for a minute and look at it from FMFT's POV, see if any of this clicks

Alright. Fair enough. I’ll take a look at it later.