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[Save The Dragons]

unless you were talking to DotW then ignore me

[Dwlee99]

STD do you not think I'm evil anymore or are you just plopping your vote somewhere else for fun?

[Nero Cain]

lol @ expecting Dunn to post

[Nero Cain]

I mean, Dunn is a perfectly reasonable policy/compermise elimination

[Dwlee99]

If everyone agrees with limming him do we even really get anything out of it? I definitely want that slot dead, but I'm kind of praying for a vig rather than a lim.

[Nero Cain]

we get a scum dead if he's scum. If he's scum IDK if any of his buddies would defend him though.

[Save The Dragons]

STD do you not think I'm evil anymore or are you just plopping your vote somewhere else for fun?

i did a think and i think you're not scum now but i'm not sure

lol @ expecting Dunn to post

if you vote him he will come

[Nero Cain]

this isn't the field of dreams.

[Save The Dragons]

field of dunnstral?

[Nero Cain]

I imagine this is more of a pit where time dies.

[Nero Cain]

For my part I felt like nom not wanting to be really involved in the DW/peta/nero argument was kinda scummy like scum not wanting to be involved which is funny that he was accusing Rathe of the same thing. I mean, certainly, no one has to have any original thought all the time but I was less than impressed with the scum read on someone that several ppl had already called out and I think that's something scum could easily do. Also, I just think the whole "oh Peta/DW are just being voted b/c they are loud" doesn't mesh with reality I think.

I don't like that he made a big deal about wanting t3 and DW to vote Rathe and I feel like it just went nowhere.

It's not like I asked any of those people to vote Rathe either

I feel like this is a lie by omission. Like true, he never outright asked T3 and DW to vote Rathe but he very clearly implied that he wanted them to. And like Rathe was DW's scum read too. Did he honestly think that no one would switch?

I think his "scumhunting" is limited and that always worries me. I felt like him being hardheaded and difficult to get reads from was pretty bad.

and the constrain and snarky attitude just pisses me off.

[nomnomnom]

You've played with me enough to know that a lot of things you complain about from my slot is playstyle related, which you should know pretty well by now
Tends to attract early votes except in games with a playerlist that knows me... and even despite that I end up in games like team mafia where people still think I'm scum d1 for it lol
Your issues are with how I word my posts rather than the intention behind all of them. I voted rathe after catching up cuz the slot seemed the scummiest when I read the thread, and I asked the players who said they felt rathe was scummy if they wanted to vote him with me. That's literally all there is to it, the rest is just loading layers upon layers of things you think I did by nitpicking my wording because, again, you've started all of this with the theory that not only peta is scum, but that I am scum deflecting off him, and I'll say it again, that's just bad logic
And I'll say this again too, I think the literal only reason you are trying to really push scum!me is because you're frustrated I got votes off peta, that's all there is to it, it's just very apparent your logic is frustration driven

[nomnomnom]

Also are people really proposing a dunn default lynch? look at the thread, we have 25 pages of people interacting with each other and you think voting for a hard lurk slot is the best idea? Come on we can do better

[Anya]

VOTE: titus

i just realised how weird it is for you to dunk me in the town bucket

why?

[VFP]

VOTE: Dunnstral

i like osuka for town

i like petapan for town

i like titus for town

i like nero cain for town

I guess Dragon can go into the scum pool as well.

[Save The Dragons]

i feel like you scumread me for doing the same things over and over again

[VFP]

i feel like you scumread me for doing the same things over and over again

You're a roller coaster to me!

[Nero Cain]

Also are people really proposing a dunn default lynch? look at the thread, we have 25 pages of people interacting with each other and you think voting for a hard lurk slot is the best idea? Come on we can do better

I don't think that removing a somewhat scummy slot that's going to be useless is the worst d1 play.

[nomnomnom]

Eh

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Through 524 so far but there are a lot of unread pages

I think DGB's proposed strat only helps scum, sure maybe it got burned recently but I don't think that's any excuse to call to elim claims and have everyone lay crumbs.

Suggesting that is scummy, and it hasn't done anything to change my mind since

this i take issue with as well. just because you think the plan is bad, why is it necessarily scum motivated rather than town with a crazy idea? do you think it's typical scum play to propose a way of playing that helps scum openly on page 1 and hope people go along with it? because in my experience that's not something scum typically try to do at all

I do think that is something scum does as early as possible because people are more forgiving of early posts. If it works, great, now you've either sown confusion in some players or best case, convinced PRs to crumb their targets.

so, with regard to setup stuff, i would recommend looking at the roles in gypyx's previous two normal games:

mini 2169: random facts
mini 2180: fake peoples

gypyx is probably the most distinctive mod working in the normal queue right now, in that he really likes to play around with modifiers and combined roles and have atypical power distributions in his setups. expect claims to be wacky bullshit. here's a list of the town PRs in those games (avert your eyes here if you're DGB):

Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop
Role Watcher Neighbor
Town Ascetic Indecisive Doctor Neighbour
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Vengeful
Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante

Town Roaming Detective
Town Backup Roleblocker
Town Lazy Odd-night Tracker Even-night Motion Detector
Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor
Town Disloyal Hider

in mini 2180, my scumteam was very easily able to exploit people making bad assumptions about the setup balance in order to get easy eliminations ("surely there aren't two investigative roles in the setup, right? that's too much town power"). i want to make sure that doesn't happen this game, so i'm informing people now so they don't go off making bad assumptions and getting weirded out by claims this game. you can bet your ass as scum i never out this because i'm the only one in this playerlist who's played in a game he's hosted, and keeping this sort of info hidden has significantly more benefit for scum as it allows people to make dumb assumptions about claims

That setup looks whack, I dont even know what half those roles/modifiers mean

i guess the hood is actually real? i assumed anya was doing a bit or something

anya might honestly be doing a bit

she's always doing a bit, it's just hard to know what about

What makes you think the hood is a bit?

[Titus]

VOTE: titus

i just realised how weird it is for you to dunk me in the town bucket

why?

I may not get why you're doing what you're doing but the push on your neighbor feels tonally town. You want more than trolling. When you presumably got it, you changed course. That indicates scumhunting usually. That usually is good enough for a TR, especially D1.

[Nero Cain]

one of my fave games I was town in a 3p hood and girl tunneled the fuck out of me b/c I didn't attack my hood mates.

[Nero Cain]

You've played with me enough to know that a lot of things you complain about from my slot is playstyle related, which you should know pretty well by now

I've played with you twice and it was over a year ago. Do you really expect me to have a good memory of those two games from over a year ago?

you've started all of this with the theory that not only peta is scum, but that I am scum deflecting off him, and I'll say it again, that's just bad logic
And I'll say this again too, I think the literal only reason you are trying to really push scum!me is because you're frustrated I got votes off peta, that's all there is to it, it's just very apparent your logic is frustration driven

I don't see it as all that different that Peta accusing me of being scum with DW b/c I didn't think he was necessarily scummy for not liking DGB's plan. You say it makes no sense but to an outsider that doesn't know your or petas alignment, it does make plenty of sense. TBF I've been worried that it was a TvT and Titus' dual scum reads on Peta and DW and your wanting to lynch outside of the 1v1 is just scum play but sure, try to wave my scumread off as being "frustrated.

[Nero Cain]

What do you think of Anya no longer voting SSBM?

@ nom

[nomnomnom]

I don't see it as all that different that Peta accusing me of being scum with DW b/c I didn't think he was necessarily scummy for not liking DGB's plan

It's not good logic either from him
It may make sense to you but rationally speaking doing this kind of theory line on d1 where you have no flip is just confbiasing the hell out of your reads and you're doing that a lot in the games we played together and it just never works
Also it's clearly frustration and you going with a deadset confbias on the theory that peta and me are scum together, what happens in any other world than that? you don't want to consider it because nothing else makes sense so you stick with your theory and rationalizing it as valid logic when it's just not
I'm just trying to get you to reconsider your logic cuz all you're doing so far is going with only one theory and a set of reads, asking me questions and then nitpicking my answer to confirm in your head that me and peta are scum. It's frustrating from my pov to get you to understand any of this.