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[Wayward Son]

If I was scum with T3 I would have had to be willing to sacrifice my partner before the game even started. That doesn't sound like smart scum play to me. I'd have to play out several Days with no help from anyone.

I'm not that good at scum theater.

[Egix96]

I believe Zyla is town. Scum wouldn't make those posts, not even newbscum, and as I said earlier I think she's experienced with this game.

Her and Egix were my two PoE for T3's partner but now it really only leaves Egix. Even if T3 somehow flips town I still don't think Egix looks good.

I believe T3 wants to be hammered ASAP at this point so there's less information to dissect Day 2. His theoretical partner has very little suspicion on them and an ongoing Day 1 threatens that. That's why I refrained from hammering, and potentially why Egix put T3 at hammer range. Maybe to tempt someone to hammer a player who looks like obvscum.

There is another potential but unlikely T3 partner. Does anyone think Wayward vs T3 could've just been scum vs scum?

Hmmm, I'm feeling like the parts I've highlighted here could be pretty important.
Others are welcome to comment.

[Lukewarm]

I believe Zyla is town. Scum wouldn't make those posts, not even newbscum, and as I said earlier I think she's experienced with this game.

Her and Egix were my two PoE for T3's partner but now it really only leaves Egix. Even if T3 somehow flips town I still don't think Egix looks good.

I believe T3 wants to be hammered ASAP at this point so there's less information to dissect Day 2. His theoretical partner has very little suspicion on them and an ongoing Day 1 threatens that. That's why I refrained from hammering, and potentially why Egix put T3 at hammer range. Maybe to tempt someone to hammer a player who looks like obvscum.

There is another potential but unlikely T3 partner. Does anyone think Wayward vs T3 could've just been scum vs scum?

Hmmm, I'm feeling like the parts I've highlighted here could be pretty important.
Others are welcome to comment.

I see the point that Roden is an odd kill for zyla to make. On the Wayward front tho, It seemed to me like Roden had an overall town lean on Wayward, he even followed up on this exact conversation

Spoiler:

I didn't get any scum vs scum vibes either but I wanted to get opinions on it just in case

though I can say Wayward is leaning more town with every post

Partial town read. But I also just don't think he's partners with T3. Especially when going by Luke and Bulge's analysis.

[Gypyx]

Searching a replacement for MixLixWix

[Wayward Son]

The people I won't vote, ever, just shrunk.

Now it's just Luke and The Bulge. Luke caught T3, and if The Bulge isn't town, then congrats on pocketing me. I think I'm right about him though. It sure doesn't feel like he was trying to pocket me, and his scum hunting looks genuine.

I guess we're in a holding pattern until Mix's replacement gets here.

[Lukewarm]

Searching a replacement for MixLixWix

No mix, come back

[Xlos]

The more the day wears on the less I'm feeling like Zyla. Not only is the nightkill strange for a general player in her position, but it's strange for what I get of her personality in her position. Unless she was lying about if she thought that I was a mason during the night. Since this implies she was not PR hunting. Maybe she was trying to frame Egix, but she didn't even realize who killing Roden would insinuate 253. All in all it just seems incredibly unlikely. Here are the options I can think of for her being a mafia -

1) She's been lying constantly about everything from whether she thought I was a mason to who she thought the nightkill would be framing
2) She had some incredibly unlikely reasoning for the kill (like hoping that a post like this one would appear)
3) She rolled a die for the NK

I don't see any of these things having much chance of being real. So for now I'm putting her as confirmed town right next to Lukewarm. Fight me.

Egix is looking a little better with some recent posts, still by far the most suspicious though.

I don't think Bulge deserves all the towncred he is getting.

I don't think Mix was lurking because he was mafia. I had town vibes when he was playing.

[Egix96]

@Lukewarm

Oops yeah. I was reading through the pages in order, so although I was aware that Roden had been townreading Wayward, I had forgotten that they had explained that one line on the next page.
I brought it up because I thought it was a "better kill this person in case they change their mind" sort of thing.

[Gypyx]

votecount 2.3

Egix96 (1) : Xlos
Zyla (1) : The Bulge

Not Voting (5) : Lukewarm - MixLixWix - Zyla - Egix96 - Wayward Son

Day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-06-07 02:10:35), with 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate someone

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[Lukewarm]

I find it strange that both Egix and Xlos are against a Zyla elim, seeing as how they are the 2 other most likely people in the possible elimination pool.

I am not sure yet what that makes me think about any of their alignments

[Lukewarm]

What do people think about Zyla having exactly 1 town read (me) compared to Egix, who apparently has 4 Town Reads

Spoiler:

VOTE: Xlos

It's either this or Bulge imo. From re-reading, I think everyone else is town.

[Xlos]

Thread is dead today; I thought my last post was pretty controversial. It's interesting how similar Egix is the only one who agrees with me on Zyla, but it seems that he came to that conclusion by himself, since he mentioned something in 292 but I didn't mention much disagreement until 311. Honestly everybody is looking like a townie. I'm pretty good at this game, since that means I got 6/7 alignments

Tangent aside, going back to earlygame posts, I found this interesting in retrospect:

Zyla, T3, Wayward, Xlos* (* pending response) are my suspects right now.

I'm thinking, if Mix had both scum in this section, wouldn't they be a top priority for the NK? It's what's giving me doubt about flipping my read on Wayward, and also makes me less certain about Xlos.

Why do you suspect Mix has both scum here?

My next best guess would be Xlos, but I'd have to get it (my scum read) together tomorrow. It's been a long and hard holiday.

Pedit Xlos is sus, I'll explain tomorrow.

Zyla would have to be town, if I'm right.

What made you change your mind on Zyla? You can hold off till tomorrow to answer.

Anyways, yesterday I mentioned Bulge not feeling that townish but didn't really get around to talking about him. Let's do that now.

I wanna do this today
VOTE: Zyla

To me this post seems pretty aggressive considering that it's not really incriminating so much as just bad logic that he's pointing out. It seems a bit opportunistic, like scum trying to lead an easy lynch. I don't see the deliberation or uncertainty that I'd expect. So Bulge, are you still certain that Zyla is scum? And another question for you. A lot of people are quoting this post as the reason you are town lean:

Although, T3 almost confirmed by meta analysis on them in post 46. When he looked at how I described his town games vs his scum games, his response was "that's fair" not "you cherry picked those games, that is not always how I play"

Which is why his full response has me really confused. Saying "your meta analysis on me is fair, but you should also think that Wayward Son is scum" is wild. Like the more I think about it the stranger it is tbh. He never says I am wrong in my analysis. He never even says he is not scum. He agrees with my analysis, but then says "your theory only works if I'm scum with Wayward."

Which is a strange connection for a town player to draw between themselves and someone they are scum reading. If he thinks Wayward Son could be scum, then he should know that that is setting himself up to be miselimed Day 2 if Wayward Son does get flipped scum today.

But on the otherhand, if T3 IS scum, then he may know for a fact that Wayward Son is town, and therefore he knows that it is safe to tie his alignment to theirs.

It is a common scum tactic to try and pair either themselves or their partners with a town player. That way, if they town player flips first, it can soft clears the scum player, or on the other hand, if the scum player flips first, it can net the scum team a miselim the next day, helping their partner still secure a victory.

If you'd like some

legal

meta, I just modded a large normal where scumT3 laid down some incredibly bizarre distancing tactics D1 before being eliminated that ultimately factored into his team's win. giving me similar vibes here.

Given that we're in the same situation as this game, I have to say that I'm curious what the 'bizarre distancing tactics' encompassed.

[Xlos]

What do people think about Zyla having exactly 1 town read (me) compared to Egix, who apparently has 4 Town Reads

Spoiler:

VOTE: Xlos

It's either this or Bulge imo. From re-reading, I think everyone else is town.

I think Zyla needs to get more town reads. Then we can kill whoever nobody is reading as town. And then we can kill Egix.

[Xlos]

I find it strange that both Egix and Xlos are against a Zyla elim, seeing as how they are the 2 other most likely people in the possible elimination pool.

I am not sure yet what that makes me think about any of their alignments

Yeah it seems a bit dangerous, but the lynch isn't a big threat to me and I'd rather get the person I feel most badly for. IDK about Egix.

[Lukewarm]

I am interested in Zyla's progression on T3 as well, and thought I would bring it to everyone's attention

After I make my meta case against T3, Zyla appears to vaguely try to discredit the meta case on him

As for the T3 stuff, I honestly don't know. As far as I can tell, t3 doesn't really have a list of games they participated in, and I don't have enough information to tell whether Luke picked a random bunch of games, random games that happen to show t3 in a negative light, or what

I mostly just mean that I'm not sure if that's enough to say that t3's scum, since there's a chance that the games picked weren't quite accurate

So then I explain to her how she can look at T3's games herself, and she reports back

We seem to be coming out of RVS, so UNVOTE: Wayward Son

And reading from his other games (and re-reading his "rebuttal") I'm starting to see what y'all mean
VOTE: T3

[Lukewarm]

I think what caught my eye was how quickly she had that 180. Like from post 59 to 63 she went from suspicion in my meta read to being on board with it

[Lukewarm]

So I checked time stamps. She learns how to do it herself as of post 61 [Wed May 26, 2021 8:24 pm], then is ready to vote T3 as of post 63 [Wed May 26, 2021 8:36 pm] so she seemed skeptical of my meta case, but then changed her mind like 10 mins later. That is why I asked how many games she looked at.

@Zyla, after I explained how to look at T3's games yourself, how many did you look over to decide that my meta case was not cherry picked?

I ended up looking at the same amount you posted, because I could only find the one scum!t3 game and a lot of t3's games seemed to be expiremental/non-standard

10 mins seemed like a short amount of time to find out she could read them herself, then hunt for any other scum games other then the one I pointed out, read through apparently 5 games worth of isos from T3, and then form a conclusion on his alignment this game.

Maybe I am just slow at meta reading people, but I feel like I would have needed more time then that

[Lukewarm]

That is also part of the reason I asked her if she would answer some of my questions real time. And there was definitely a delay in her responses.

Spoiler:

7 mins to answer my question in 330

5 mins to answer my question 334

18 mins to answer my question in 338

8 mins to answer my question in 342

I guess it seems weird that it would take her 18 mins to answer the question "who are your top 3 scum reads," but then only 12 mins to do a meta dive on T3

My counter proposal is that she did not do a meta dive on T3 there, but instead switched over to the scum PT where T3 told her not to defend him so that she would not look bad after his flip. That could explain how she would do a 180 so quickly there.

[Gypyx]

Pavowski replaces MixLixWix !

[Wayward Son]

Thread is dead today; I thought my last post was pretty controversial. It's interesting how similar Egix is the only one who agrees with me on Zyla, but it seems that he came to that conclusion by himself, since he mentioned something in 292 but I didn't mention much disagreement until 311. Honestly everybody is looking like a townie. I'm pretty good at this game, since that means I got 6/7 alignments

This is where I join the thread. I'll be around for a few hours.

[Wayward Son]

@ Xlos: I think you're wrong on bulge. I could be wrong, but I think I'm right.

I think is has to be Egix or Zyla.

BTW My oldest and me did karaoke and etc. today, so if I were scum, now's the time to catch me!

Let's talk.

drunken posts.

[Wayward Son]

Also welcome Pavowski. I had your slot as lock town.

What do you think of that?

[Wayward Son]

I'll be reading Mini 2167 and checking in every page or two.

[Wayward Son]

Fluff @ bulge

Spoiler:

In 2167 I keep thinking you're town and am rooting for you. Confbias??

NO spoilers!

[Wayward Son]

I didn't know the bulge was in the game until after I started reading it. If You think it matters.