Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Guillotina]

Ok how about we yeet Sigmund?

What does that have to do with the post you quoted?

Nothing. Nothing at all, or does it?

[NDMath]

Scumread, townlean, eh, eh,
Eh translating to I'm not sure what to make of their posts. Reads on ircher seem to depend based off of people's interpretation of ircher's posting style. Am not finding much reasoning for the flea wagon.

my read on Ircher has zero to do with his posting style. would you mind rereading my posts on Ircher and seeing what you think again?

curious about your STD townlean in a general sense.

if you're not voting Sigmund already i'd say that's an ok vote.

Spoiler: This is what I'm finding regarding ircher case

Ircher's content is also an important point here, those quote stripe walls feel largely like empty content, they don't tell me why notsci is a good vote when Ircher's responded to notsci's posts with the same energy as he's responded to every other post he doesn't agree with, and his concern with arguing against Toog townreads also bothers me. there's more reasoning about why Toog should be null than why notsci is scum.

i've repeated it like 4 times, and it's no ones fault for missing it, but it is a little bit annoying. thanks for replying though.

this was the first instance.

Sorry. What feels not-real about it? Scum can look ridiculous too.

they can, but say Ircher does get miselimmed and flip town, after notsci has been saying confidently he's scum, does that make notsci look ridiculous? from Ircher's pov here, scum notsci knows Ircher is flipping town, so i don't see where that "gotcha" bravado comes from.

so it looks more like false bravado to me.

i've been overextended so i'm probably off in all my games

but i do pride myself in playing a little differently each time

i get scumread a lot for it

so what's the difference between scum!STD and LHF!STD?

i don't know, what is the difference and how is one supposed to tell?

@shea - STD's play is in underwhelming/not town territory for me. i'm not going to vote there as long as Ircher is viable as i find him underwhelming/vaguely scummy in comparison. and no one has really responded about what i pointed out again in 2250 and i would really like some feedback on it, i think it's strange to both think a player is scum and to make the post "you're going to look ridiculous when i flip town".

besides that it feels to me like Ircher is trying to put out content, but the content itself is irrelevant to sorting or finding scum this game day. example being the amount of time spent arguing about why Toog is null and not town. (this doesn't include the post where Ircher was asked to elaborate and did so, i'm referring to before that.)

i agree it's not a hard post to fake. and given Ircher's notscience scumread at the time i think it's a strange thing to say. "you'll look ridiculous" isn't usually how one feels about scum who successfully got a miselim.

Two of them are on Ircher's comment towards notsci and I'm not confident in interpreting motivation/thought-process behind that since I wouldn't say something like that as either alignment. I think 2284 mostly falls under interpretation of posting style; Do agree though that Ircher's emphasis on Toog being null was odd.
Failing to flesh out reasons to match the confidence in a strong scumread has been recurring this game imo (whemestar on white fire, white fire on flea, flea on me, lld on anya).

On dragons, I mentioned the way they went about their health being outed doesn't look like a scum!reaction. I also townread their responses to other people regarding sigmund. Am feeling their presence more this game than my prior two with them which is probably biasing my read towards town a bit.

So?

So... that should be embarrassing, and they should be embarrassed, because of embarrassment?

I mean it's the norm for me.

[NDMath]

This is a good outcome so far. There's a bunch of people whose alignment I wanted tested who are not currently voting Sigmund or Anya.

This will be a good way to see where they fall.

Who's this referring to when currently there's ~5 off both wagons?

[Guillotina]

I guess just claim and then I can call it the towniest townclaim that ever towned (Hi TMI HATERZ) and move on to saying it's a terribad wagon again.

Ok, so who posted here because i need to know.

I’d give a 60/40 split can’t/fiery

I’m leaving those autocorrects. Those are your names now.

That's a fairly hedged bet for how obvious it is who that was!

It is not obvious to me, i dont know any of you, i played with Cabd once and i dont know who hell is the other one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Something Smart, Farkan, White Fire

[morph the cat]

Yes, but jingle knows us quite a bit.

It was Cabd who snarked at you.

Ffery merely controls the claws on this beast.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause Anya will vote Sigmund.

And Toog is town and also has committed his vote to the "highest wagon"

[morph the cat]

I guess just claim and then I can call it the towniest townclaim that ever towned (Hi TMI HATERZ) and move on to saying it's a terribad wagon again.

Ok, so who posted here because i need to know.

I’d give a 60/40 split can’t/fiery

I’m leaving those autocorrects. Those are your names now.

That's a fairly hedged bet for how obvious it is who that was!

It is not obvious to me, i dont know any of you, i played with Cabd once and i dont know who hell is the other one.

You played with me too, in the same game. I was the ~strange head of the Fermi's Flames hydra in Xeno.

fferyllt llyfr at your service.

[Sigmund]

I'm a medic

my normal ability is to heal people who are missing HP.

I have SP abilities that allow me to make someone ascetic and prevent someone from dying on a given night.

[Something_Smart]

How much SP do they cost?

[Ircher]

I said volume Bell
Not count, more what you’ve put in
But still not impressed.

They're directly correlated, and I don't think this distinction matters. Either way, it's a poor way to read a player.

last time i played with u and pushed u, u got extremely annoyed and were heavy into dissecting me. this time u seem not even interested. why is that

I think this is a good point with regards to Flea. I will see how fae responds.

Titus is being her unreadable self. In that, I don't get why she chooses her reads or positions or the timing. She's walkin' out of tune from everybody else.

Speaking of this, I feel Titus is much less readable this game than in other games I've recently played with her. That worries me quite some.

Yo, I'm not being apologetic or backpedaling.

(I honestly have no clue what Bell and Thestatusquo are arguing about.) That said, the interactions strikes me as TvT. Both seem to believe strongly in their positions, and at the same time, their reactions don't feel over the top.

When you scum read me for my suspicion on Sigmund's TMI, it reminded me of your scum game in that one Deck of Astral game.
I smell fear of me in you and you are trying to get everyone else wagoned on me because i have recent scum meta of you.

I really don't think Titus's play here resembles Deck of Astral Roles. Titus was off in the latter mainly because she was double-teaming. Here, she is just being all over the place. Also, you seem to have this habit of warping everything. No matter what the actual wording was, everything becomes high stakes when you translate it. I would advise toning down the aggressiveness and exaggerations.

I have 3 HP!

Toog shared that with the class

What was the point of repeating this information? Everyone saw this the first time around, and that info was given back on like page 3. It has no relevance to the conversations occurring on page 25.

Read to bottom of page 25.
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I'm guessing they felt they didn't have the authority to OMGUS me and they had already townread me without an explanation, their read on me was based on a feeling as far as I can recall.

Guillotina, have you ever tried looking at things from the opposite perspective. That is, have you tried looking at this from a potential town!Flea perspective. There's a wide variety of reasons Flea may have approached this game differently, and while your explanation is a possible one, it isn't the only one.

that doesn't justify this desperation to get people to invest in me my guess is she's trying to save either ircher or sigmund buddy

Or maybe Lambdadelta just thinks you're scum? Like I agree, she is being really forceful about getting people to vote you, but I really hate when people jump a few steps and try to attribute ulterior motives to actions. Also, your "surfing is a hobby of mine" is hardly a defense against Lady Lambdadelta's accusations. If anything, I think it makes you sound more culpable here.

It is a terrible post, but is it a scummy post or is it a post from someone who didn't read the OP?

I think I missed this earlier, but saw it in quoted in one of Flea's quote walls. (For reference, this post refers to 311/312.) While it's not a terribly strong case, I do think it's scum indicative, and I don't agree that it is a case of someone not reading the OP. Even if Anya initially didn't, the post she is responding to quotes the relevant section. It's not ignorance; it's feigned ignorance. It's also a confusing and misleading statement for others, and I can see plenty of reasons why scum would like to throw that into the mix. On the contrary, I see very few reasons or benefits to town!Anya making such a post. At best, it is just noise. Another of Flea's posts quotes Something_Smart's 2130: I guess that's a possibility, but it really didn't strike me as a joke when I read it.

Which one?

(In response to 2125.) I'm referring to the chart in 1979. Yes, it's technically a lazy read (and effort != alignment), but I think it's a sufficient indicator for the time being.

Im not asking for pre-flip associations. You said that you think there could be a scum between Sig/Flea why not resolve it today instead of having this day's convo about Sig/Flea again on day 2?

She definitely did not say this. She said there might be scum involved with the Sig/Flea interaction, but there are more people involved with that TMI interaction than just Flea and Sigmund.

(Also side note: can we try to avoid nesting quotes too deeply? They take up a lot of space and hard to read when it goes beyond three or so layers of quotes.)

Failing to flesh out reasons to match the confidence in a strong scumread has been recurring this game imo (whemestar on white fire, white fire on flea, flea on me, lld on anya).

I think this is true, but I don't see it as a bd thing necessarily. Sometimes, you just *know* something is the case, but it's hard to put in words, and I think that's how a lot of these reads go.

[morph the cat]

Hey you fucks, Sigmund is town.

Still sticking by that.

[morph the cat]

He doesn't even have to write a 20 page POV notes PT for a newbie game to prove it.

[morph the cat]

How much SP do they cost?

Quick folks, think of a town reason to say this because JFC not seeing one.

[Something_Smart]

I mean, if the doctor ability costs 1 SP, then of course we never kill Sigmund because if he's town then scum will have to.

Whereas, if it costs 5 SP, then it's a lot less clear-cut.

[morph the cat]

But yeah,

Sigmund is a TOWN player doing things with a TOWN mindset doing TOWN things.

Roles, interactions, mechanics be damned.

That is a 150% synced read and we're going to be bullies about it if we have to.

[Ircher]

Idk, I can kinda see it. It would give us a way to better verify actions etc., especially with Toogeloo's role.

[Something_Smart]

I'm fine with this.

VOTE: Anya

[morph the cat]

I really want Anya to claim. No idea what time it is in... Russia, iirc?

[morph the cat]

Anya, Flea are the viable non-Sigmund wagons here.

[Sigmund]

why would you want the scum to know how often I can protect someone from dying is this serious

[Something_Smart]

I mean, part of claiming is... actually claiming.

But, I'm okay giving morph the benefit of the doubt here, if they're as confident as they seem to be.

[Bell]

Hey, I thought what S_S said out loud but I have more self-control.

Maybe.

[morph the cat]

I mean, part of claiming is... actually claiming.

But, I'm okay giving morph the benefit of the doubt here, if they're as confident as they seem to be.

You're giving US the benefit of the doubt?

Open your damn eyes and take a deep breath. That's a cloud TOWN Axe making your eyes water.

[Bell]

I don't agree with blind hammering Anya but if they're not coming back and dead line the sentence fills itself from there.